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by Fortigurn
Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:38 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Again, Fortigurn, you are far beyond arrogant if you honestly believe that I've not considered Ps. 33:6 or Gen. 1 in my broader theology. What? As if I am going to read those passages and think to myself, "Oh my God . . . why have I never seen that???" I never said or implied you had never consider...
by Fortigurn
Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:23 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

If I teach people that Jesus is a man, and you teach people that Jesus is 'the God-man', then are we teaching the same thing?
by Fortigurn
Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:22 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

No, that is not the trinitarian argument at all, but rather your erroneous assumption of it. Oh, so the trinitarian argument isn't that Jesus is the second person of the trinity? I told you privately and I will say it again, trinitarians have absolutely no issue whatsoever with the point you are ma...
by Fortigurn
Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:37 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

If I really meant such a thing, I would have absolutely no reason for denying it. I certainly wouldn't have kept inviting you to continue the discussion. Instead of trying to tell me what I meant, look at what I'm saying. And what Jac sees in what you are saying is that it doesn't matter what he sa...
by Fortigurn
Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:44 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Your whole sentence was: It doesn't really matter what you say, because you can't contradict Psalm 33:6, you can't contradict Genesis 1, and you can't contradict the explicit teaching of the apostles, who consistently taught only that Jesus is a man. That's no different from what you said above. It...
by Fortigurn
Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:42 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

I have never appealed to Deuteronomy 6:4 in order to define the word 'elohim'. You were the one who raised this verse. You made a false claim about the word echad, just as BW has repeatedly made false claims about the word elohim. I have presented the evidence which demonstrates your errors. Please...
by Fortigurn
Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:49 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

That is not what I said. I beg your pardon, but that is exactly what you said. I quoted you. I didn't paraphrase or interpret your words. I quoted them. Your argument is like Clinton's argument that "I didn't say willing suspension of belief!" You took that out of context!!!" Well, either you said ...
by Fortigurn
Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:08 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

There is no reason for Trinitarians to fear and tremble before the oppositions claim to grammar fame and renown as though they are the final arbitrators judging truth. Hebrew grammar is full of flaws. Hebrew grammar is not 'full of flaws', and nor does the article you quote say so. Let me point one...
by Fortigurn
Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:05 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

That's fine and good, but it goes back to an argument I was having with Fortigurn a while back in which he cut me off and said it didn't matter what I had to say. Fine then. No discussion is necessary, not there, and not here. That is not what I said. You have truncated my sentence and taken it com...
by Fortigurn
Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:52 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

BW, you've made another incredible error: You should never translate this as gods. That is not what the article you quoted says. On the contrary, when 'elohim' is accompanied by a plural verb it is always translated 'gods', save for in the nine exceptions in which the singular subject is identified ...
by Fortigurn
Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:36 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

I'd rather not be a buzzkill or whatever, but let me broadly say (as a staunch Trinitarian), that I don't think the word elohim contributes whatsoever to the debate. It is not a "plural" noun, as has been noted. It is a word with a single morphology, and therefore, it sometimes is used as a plural,...
by Fortigurn
Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:20 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

I am more than willing to stop the insults along as Fortigrun is willing. I have not insulted you once in this entire thread. Before I answer your latest post, I am going to ask you to review it and: * Correct the English grammar errors which make it difficult for me to understand what you mean * C...
by Fortigurn
Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:57 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

On the contrary, there is no debate about the meaning of the word 'echad'. Standard lexicons note that it means 'one', 'each', 'a certain', 'an', 'once', 'only', 'first', and is the component for 'one' in the ordinal 'eleventh'. In our earlier conversation I referenced: Note how this same word 'ech...
by Fortigurn
Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

In the sentence "Our team is winning." A Team is one team, but consists of more than one person and a singular verb is used here. So to determine if the the verb used with it is singualar or plural does not resolve the issue. The issue is what is the meaning of the word "Elohim". In the sentence 'O...
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:08 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 22803

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Why yes! This a technique of logic, to explore both sides and it is a method that can take many forms to uncover a truth and the truth remains: a plural is a plural . But BW, you haven't actually done this at all. You haven't said 'Well let's present both sides and see if the majestic plural is tru...