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by Fortigurn
Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:11 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Byblos, this is for you. * Adam: You say that Adam 'was called the son of God in the same way the listeners thought of themselves as the children of God'. There is no evidence for this. On the contrary, Luke goes back right to the very creation of Adam in a genealogy of 'X was the son of Y'. It's cl...
by Fortigurn
Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:05 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Not just calling on him, but also proclaiming him your Lord. Sure, I proclaim him my Lord. That doesn't mean he's God. Jesus said that the person who is my God is the same person who is his God. Say what you will about us trinitarians, bottom line is we believe in one Lord, one Saviour, and one God...
by Fortigurn
Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:55 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Jac3510 wrote:"Human" is a class. "God" is a person. "God" is NOT a class.
Versus:
Jac3510 wrote:Jesus belongs to the class popular called "God" (just as I belong to the class popularly called "Human.")
by Fortigurn
Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:01 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Where does it all end?
Replies: 17
Views: 3185

Re: Where does it all end?

zoegirl, that was a good post.
by Fortigurn
Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:17 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Where does it all end?
Replies: 17
Views: 3185

Re: Where does it all end?

FFC wrote:If you don't believe in Jesus Christ for everlasting life you will be separated from God for all eternity.
I'm not sure that threats were exactly what our poster was looking for. I believe that they were looking for hope.
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:58 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Where does it all end?
Replies: 17
Views: 3185

Re: Where does it all end?

First things first: * I wouldn't recommend the 'Alpha Course' for anyone actually looking for answers * There's a lot in the Bible which sounds far-fetched and unbelievable - that doesn't mean it isn't true (there's plenty of evidence confirming even things which sound far-fetched) * Step outside fo...
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:33 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: God and history?
Replies: 9
Views: 1930

Re: God and history?

So basically...I'm here looking for some people who can prepare me for what is to come in my Western Civ class. It sounds like the professor is going to be ripping the historical accuracy of the Bible to shreds over the next few months. Anyone here who can help me out? I apologize that I don't have...
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:26 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Jac, this is for you. I really wish you could be as moderate and clam as Gman. I really don't see the need for all the aggression and personal attacks. * Implicit, explicit: Again, this has nothing to do with my inferences. It has to do with what is explicitly and implicitly taught. If you believe y...
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:24 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Because Jesus is the tselem of God. I agree 100%. And the tselem of God, is not God. The image of God, is not God (Adam proved this, if proof were necessary). The image of Caesar, is not Caesar, any more than the transcription of Caesar, is Caesar. Further, if "Son of God" has no divine connotation...
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:48 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

The problem is that every time you say this you're begging the question. And the question was repeatedly answered, no need to regurgitate it yet again. I'm not sure if you understand what 'begging the question means'. It doesn't mean there's a question which hasn't been answered, it means you're as...
by Fortigurn
Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:58 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

You make it sound like it's a new revelation. We've been saying that all along, the only difference is you want to label it the God-man implying one nature (perhaps 2 attributes? I don't know) and what we're saying is 2 distinct and separate natures, fully man (surprise), and fully God. You may not...
by Fortigurn
Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:40 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Gman, yours are the most moderate and balanced posts on this subject I read on this forum. Thank you. Fortigurn I don't believe that God can die either.. That isn't my point. My point is that our sins have an effect on God, and some of our sins actually hurt God as personified by Jesus. It's a much ...
by Fortigurn
Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:18 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Creationists and Quote Mining
Replies: 3
Views: 678

Re: Creationists and Quote Mining

Plenty of YECs do this all the time. There's a TalkOrigins FAQ about it here.
by Fortigurn
Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:15 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

Yes, but the second person of the Trinity has two natures, something you are not grasping perhaps in part because your foundational theology does not allow for a being to have two natures, let alone God. The problem is that every time you say this you're begging the question. And as I answered you,...
by Fortigurn
Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:41 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Trinity – What is it?
Replies: 148
Views: 23455

Re: Trinity – What is it?

If I teach people that Jesus is a man, and you teach people that Jesus is 'the God-man', then are we teaching the same thing? Since we teach that Jesus is a man that would make you only partly correct. Thank you. Someone finally said it. You do not believe that just teaching Jesus is a man, is whol...