Evidence for God from Science

Nils: If new information can be created by computers there is no reason why it couldn’t be created by biological evolution and this is precisely what the evolution theory assumes. Information isn’t created by intelligences alone. So, he's comparing intentionally crafted tools (computers), in which ...

nils wrote: If new information can be created by computers there is no reason why it couldn’t be created by biological evolution and this is precisely what the evolution theory assumes. Information isn’t created by intelligences alone. Do you even realize what you have said here? Yes, do you? Nils

If new information can be created by computers there is no reason why it couldn’t be created by biological evolution What gives computers the capability to create new information? Are you claiming that a random series of 1s and 0s is capable of generating a computer program that can create new info...

An issue that I missed to bring up is the terminology, what to call the process that brings forth information. I use the word "create" but the words "find" or "generate" may be more adequate. In the labyrinth example it can be said the information about the path to the middle is implicit and when yo...

In a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6j8Yp6s6E8 Behe discusses the behaviour of Darwinian evolution, and he says that observed beneficial mutations do not involve adding information to DNA, instead observed beneficial mutations involve some replacements but mostly deletions. Which speaks to t...

So using simple math number of steps X average population required to bridge each step = total population required to bridge all the steps or 10^7 X 10^10 = 10^17 From where did you get this formula? Nils I didn't need to get it from anywhere... it is straightforward multiplication. I was curious a...

DBowling wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:36 am

So using simple math
number of steps X average population required to bridge each step = total population required to bridge all the steps
or
10^7 X 10^10 = 10^17

From where did you get this formula?
Nils

The whole idea that it is in some way possible to find the probability of evolution from chimpanzees to humans is fantastic. That's not what I was doing. I was using the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees to demonstrate that the gap between humans and our closest common ancestor cann...

Actually... even if we assume small single mutation steps I think we can still use some rough math to demonstrate that random mutation is incapable of producing the changes that we see in the fossil record and the DNA of life today. As an example, lets look at the genetic difference between humans ...

Actually... even if we assume small single mutation steps I think we can still use some rough math to demonstrate that random mutation is incapable of producing the changes that we see in the fossil record and the DNA of life today. As an example, lets look at the genetic difference between humans ...

I don't believe Behe, Meyer, and Axe are dismissing an established theory. They are questioning one part of a theory that has not been empirically established. And the specific part that has not been empirically established is the alleged ability of "random" mutation to infuse new information into ...

You misunderstand me completely. My claim above isn’t about Axe’s article. My claim is a general claim that one (or a few) single article isn’t enough to dismiss an established theory. I don't believe Behe, Meyer, and Axe are dismissing an established theory. They are questioning one part of a theo...

Sorry DB, for late response. To try to structure the debate: 1. The main thing I want to discuss is Meyers argument in the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c9PaZzsqEg. He says that Axe’s article shows that random mutations isn’t enough to move from one functional protein to another and therefor...

But I didn't see anything in your link that rebutted the following from Gerlenter's article. What proportion of these many polypeptides are useful proteins? Douglas Axe did a series of experiments to estimate how many 150-long chains are capable of stable folds—of reaching the final step in the pro...

Re #211 Here is an interesting one, not from Meyer: https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/giving-up-darwin/ As I wrote in #202: "Another source of information is a current article: https://quillette.com/2019/09/09/david- ... ng-darwin/ by Jerry A. Coyne where he discusses https://www.claremont.org/c...