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by pat34lee
Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:51 pm
Forum: End Times
Topic: Does the forum believe in the rapture??
Replies: 142
Views: 37193

Re: Does the forum believe in the rapture??

This is not against anyone who believes in the pre-trib rapture and is not to be taken personally. I see it as a deception of God's people. Two things bother me about the pre-trib rapture. The first is that it was unknown before the 1830's. The second is the me-first attitude it shows, like the "God...
by pat34lee
Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:24 pm
Forum: Creation Talk
Topic: Abiogenesis, creation, and natural selection
Replies: 26
Views: 6731

Re: Abiogenesis, creation, and natural selection

Theophilus, please post the bible verse(s) that shows that the bible says life was created only a few thousand years ago. Please, back up your claim. I want to see where the bible actually says that, not where you read it out of scripture by assuming your young earth belief is true. I would like to...
by pat34lee
Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:11 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Are you guys anti-gay?
Replies: 11
Views: 1880

Re: Are you guys anti-gay?

Are people born with a preference for strawberry ice cream? Are your genes programmed so that you will grow up to choose Ford over Chevy?
by pat34lee
Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:59 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?
Replies: 23
Views: 3505

Re: Does the bible claim hell is at the center of the earth?

I need someone to respond to this serious question. What do we know for certain about the earth more than about 10 miles down? The deepest point we've even drilled to is only about 40,500 feet. Anyway, most times when the bible talks about hell, it means the grave. Jesus was in his grave (the heart...
by pat34lee
Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:20 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Christian vs. public school education
Replies: 68
Views: 9214

Re: Christian vs. public school education

The main problem that people have home schooling their own children is they have no idea what they are doing. Like running a home business, it takes a lot of investment, not just a little knowledge. For most children, it would probably be better to attend public or private school, as long as the par...
by pat34lee
Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:40 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Is evolution a hard science?
Replies: 72
Views: 9282

Re: Is evolution a hard science?

Er... where on earth did you get your ideas about science from? The explanation of past events by indirect measurement is a common feature of scientific inquiries, as is prediction of future ones. And what's all this about Scientists trying to prove things? Only Mathematicians prove things. Scienti...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:08 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Please Introduce Yourself Here
Replies: 2263
Views: 449458

Re: Please Introduce Yourself Here

A short introduction: I am a male believer, 49 years old, though not part of any organized church since my teens. I am currently a messianic or Hebrew roots believer. I am also a YEC and believe that the tribulation could start very soon, and don't bother looking for a rapture as a ticket out, it's ...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:28 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Is evolution a hard science?
Replies: 72
Views: 9282

Is evolution a hard science?

Of all the types of evolution that fall under the banner, only adaptation can be considered scientific. From cosmic to stellar to Darwinian evolution, all try to describe past events that cannot be observed, measured or studied directly in any way. Even if, one day, they come up with a way to explai...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:58 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Christian vs. public school education
Replies: 68
Views: 9214

Re: Christian vs. public school education

I agree. Also, not every parent is capable of home schooling, even if they had the time and money to do so. Private schooling is an alternative, but not always within the budget available. Whichever way is chosen, parental involvement is the key. With public schools, this means the parent should be ...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:24 pm
Forum: Humor and Jokes
Topic: Historical Villain Whitewashing Game
Replies: 68
Views: 20317

Re: Historical Villain Whitewashing Game

Ok, my turn. Mine is a little more difficult. He was originally a colonial military officer who led a mining expedition. He soon became a traitor against all of humanity. His motives for turning against them aren't known for sure. Some say it was greed. Others say it was to save his own people from...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:18 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Did Exodus happen?
Replies: 33
Views: 5139

Re: Did Exodus happen?

One problem with finding proof of Israel's route through the desert is that most, if not all, bibles are so far off in the number of people leaving Egypt. At that time, two million people would have been about the whole population of Egypt. The following page shows that only about seven thousand wen...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:08 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Did Exodus happen?
Replies: 33
Views: 5139

Re: Did Exodus happen?

We need to get submarines and scuba divers and delve into the red sea! Perhaps we'd find chariots and corpses... I actually don't think it was the red sea they crossed...that is a mistranslation from the Septuagint. The Hebrew word for the place of crossing is "Yam Suph" but Yam does not mean red, ...
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:01 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Christian vs. public school education
Replies: 68
Views: 9214

Re: Christian vs. public school education

This thread was interesting but it went off-track in the second page and never came back.
by pat34lee
Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:34 pm
Forum: Humor and Jokes
Topic: Historical Villain Whitewashing Game
Replies: 68
Views: 20317

Re: Historical Villain Whitewashing Game

Ok, my turn. Mine is a little more difficult. He was originally a colonial military officer who led a mining expedition. He soon became a traitor against all of humanity. His motives for turning against them aren't known for sure. Some say it was greed. Others say it was to save his own people from...