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by Butterfly
Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:09 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

As someone that has dealt with cults and continues to do so on an everyday basis ( typically the JW's), I know how hard it is to leave the mentality that keeps people in the cult to begin with. Many people exchange their "religious zeal" for "atheist zeal" or some other zeal, never realizing that t...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:24 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

I think you are mixing "apples and oranges" here. 1. A guy who steals gold and gets 3 years in jail has nothing to do with how the GR works. It is merely giving a pre-set punishment for a crime which states "Do to others whatever your law decrees you can do." The correct application of the GR would...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:47 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

3) The GR can work to a certain point, but my opinion is that this theory is basically self-defeating when you take into consideration that people get punished for breaking certain rules. Eg.: A guy steals 1kg of gold. He gets 3 years in jail. Applying the GR: If I steal 1kg of gold, would I like t...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:43 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

Yes, you have shown in your proof that morality can exist whether or not a god exists, but all WLC has done is assert that morality cannot exist without god. - y@};- Butterfly, no one here is saying morality can't exist without God. You and Spock are saying that Objective morality can exist without...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:17 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

WLC says that OM proves the existence of God. If that is so, what are the specific OM that WLC thinks proves God's existence?

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by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:05 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

I'm confused! :? With all this blather, absolute morality without God still hasn't been proven? What are you talking about? It has been proven, and no one yet has refuted a word I wrote in the proof. Yes, you have shown in your proof that morality can exist whether or not a god exists, but all WLC ...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:39 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

Your "moral code" sounds totally subjective in as much as it relies upon your own private interpretation of Christ's teachings the totally subjective "experience" of the Holy Spirit which is indistinguishable from your own feelings. Yes, of course it is subjective. Just like yours is. That you don;...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:05 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

You make the claim that you have shown that morality can exist without God ( something that the majority had already agreed on) and that this morality is OBJECTIVE ( based on your definition of objective) and that this objective and absolute(?) morality is self-love and the GR. Which you believe na...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:00 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 90914

Re: Morality Without God?

I'm confused! :? With all this blather, absolute morality without God still hasn't been proven? What are you talking about? It has been proven, and no one yet has refuted a word I wrote in the proof. Yes, you have shown in your proof that morality can exist whether or not a god exists, but all WLC ...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:44 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

As someone that has dealt with cults and continues to do so on an everyday basis ( typically the JW's), I know how hard it is to leave the mentality that keeps people in the cult to begin with. Many people exchange their "religious zeal" for "atheist zeal" or some other zeal, never realizing that t...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:28 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

Quite the opposite! Self-love is far from being "ego centric", though many people take it as being selfish or self centered. To fully be able to love another I must fully love myself, and in loving myself I innately know what is right and wrong. Below is a quote from the well know psychologist Eric...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:02 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

:shakehead: It went against my internal sense of right and wrong, good and evil...and that my friend was the road that lead me out of Christianity. What "internal sense" of "right and wrong" is that? It is the innate intuitive sense that we all have, if we let our self love be reflected onto the ac...
by Butterfly
Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:43 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

Danieltwotwenty wrote:It seems you are hell bent on breaking your own GR by putting words in my mouth which I never even said. :shakehead:


Dan
I didn't know I had exclusive rights to the Golden Rule... :pound: And what words did I put in your mouth? y:-/

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by Butterfly
Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:37 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

Every step of the way the Biblegod had a choice to create and plan things exactly the way he did, and more often than not he chose violence, even in the death of his son. Why was that? Because he had to suffer just like us, it is the only thing we truly understand. You mean to say the way the Bible...
by Butterfly
Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: going to hell?
Replies: 341
Views: 59344

Re: going to hell?

Every step of the way the Biblegod had a choice to create and plan things exactly the way he did, and more often than not he chose violence, even in the death of his son. Why was that? Because he had to suffer just like us, it is the only thing we truly understand. You mean to say the way the Bible...