Evidence for God from Science

I just want to bump this thread. When I get lost in the secular comings and goings of my daily routine, I sometimes feel great need for something solid, something convincing to bolster my confidence in God's existence. And then there's this. And it just hits me and leaves me thinking of how simple i...

KBCid wrote:In the beginning.....

There was information....

I think John would agree very much with this statement in his gospel: "In the beginning there was the Word."

If intelligent design = intelligence + design, could you elaborate a little on the distinction between the two? Is it possible to identify intelligence which does not design or a design which is not intelligent? and where does consciousness fit in.... I'm sure other members of this board could elab...

Do you see the problem Neige? I think Proinsias' main problem, though, is that he hasn't fully understood the concept of ID. Yes, biology seems pretty natural to me. I'm more than open to evidence otherwise, I see none. Again, no one here has asserted that biology is supernatural. I'd be keen to se...

I don't see it as an either/or situation between intelligent design and blind natural forces. In my view humans are natural, just as rocks are. Humans are part of nature, sure, but unlike a piece of rock, animals (and to some degree plants) show signs of intelligence. I think we can all agree to th...

The idea of looking at something and inferring intelligent agency is an alien concept I can't get my head around, as I'm sure you've gathered by now. But it's so simple... Most of the things around us are formed either by blind natural forces or intelligent beings (most notably humans). If you can'...

Okay. So non-spatial, timeless beings are not supernatural but natural. Great! God is natural. Congrats, you're now a theist. :mrgreen: Seriously though, who in the world argues that God is not a supernatural entity??? To me it's amazing we're having this discussion at all... Alright, for the sake o...

Well, I'm simply telling you what any non-creationist scientist would say - Universe is the sum of all natural things. Only that which is understood as supernatural can even hypothetically exist "outside". I thought you agreed with mainstream science? What is your definition of "natur...

If something indeed exists "outside" spacetime, it can only be something nonspatial, nonmaterial and nontemporal (remember: no space, no time). Whatever it is, it's the direct opposite of natural. How do you know that? Now really... How do I know that? Pretty much all naturalist astrophys...

There is no answer to that question, because natural things themselves only exist within spacetime Well, this is somehow unproven. First you would have to find a 'place' where spacetime doesn't exist and 'place' a natural thing/being there. LOL, I can't believe you're arguing this point. You can't ...

Of course God is a mystery... but why would God be the only logical explanation? That I don't see. Because there is nothing natural that could have caused the natural world to exist. At the very least, it has to be something supernatural. Don't call it God. Call it the Infinite Source, the Uncaused...

I cannot tell you what could have caused something supernatural to exist, since all my knowledge is confined by natural limitations Have you tried expanding your knowledge beyond your natural abilities and failed? Are you implying it's possible to explain the unexplainable? God to me is a mystery, ...

If God is the obvious answer for you, can you tell me how God appeared on the map? I cannot tell you what could have caused something supernatural to exist, since all my knowledge is confined by natural limitations. Supernatural is just what it is - something we cannot explain with the means availa...

Scientists might assume that the universe came out of nothing, but can you really prove that? I think most mainstream astronomers subscribe to the quantum fluctuations in the vacuum as the initial kick starter of our universe. That means they don't believe it came out of nothing but rather out of s...

Well, it is obvious that nothing is infinite (except for abstract concepts) and that our universe began to exist at one point in history. At least that's what the current scientific consensus is. And I would further point out it's obvious that no matter which theory or hypothesis you choose to belie...