Evidence for God from Science

Jenna, This thread is about understanding the Trinity. You are still arguing against the Trinity, even though you don't understand what the doctrine is. You'd be much better off asking questions about things you don't understand, than arguing against it. It makes you look like you have no desire to...

Jenna, This thread is about understanding the Trinity. You are still arguing against the Trinity, even though you don't understand what the doctrine is. You'd be much better off asking questions about things you don't understand, than arguing against it. It makes you look like you have no desire to...

Jac3510 wrote:1. The HS is given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Thus, the HS is not a person.

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1. My wife was given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Therefore, my wife is not a person

is this supposed to make sense? your logic eludes me.

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit? And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers? the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given , it would come to them of its own accord. So ...

Jac3510 wrote:Glad you think it's funny, jenna, to ignore Jesus' words and tell Him that He's wrong.

funny how you do the same. or as you say, just look at the context.

Jac3510 wrote:So how do you understand Jesus' words? Because when someone quotes Jesus and you say, "Tell that to so and so," it's hard not to draw the conclusion that you're saying Jesus' words were wrong based on that so and so.

*shrug* I think it's obvious. If you don't, fine.

I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But H...

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit? And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers? the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given , it would come to them of its own accord. So ...

I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But H...

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit? And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers? the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given , it would come to them of its own accord. So ...

crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

crochet1949 wrote:Jenna -- what part of the Godhead comes to indwell each believer at the moment of their salvation?

the holy spirit is given to them. but the holy spirit is not part of the Godhead.

crochet1949 wrote:Well -- yes, the power of the Highest working Through the Holy Spirit. "for that which is conceived in her Is of the Holy Spirit'."

yes, it is His power that caused her to conceive. again, the HS is the power God has to do the things He does.

crochet1949 wrote:Okay -- so -- shall we continue? In the morning -- It's late where I am.

yes we can continue anytime you would like.

And I apologize, too. And you're right -- this is Supposed to be serious conversation. And not real complicated in the process -- I'm not a real complicated person. Some of these guys get into complex responses that I get lost in. There are bound to be other comments -- but, hopefully we can have a...