Evidence for God from Science

Did I say the spirit came from hell? I hope not, because I don't believe that to be true. I said it came from where the scripture says it came...the ground. -So I may assume that you do not know wether the spirit was from Hell or Heaven? He can...better question is would He, especially since it is ...

You really are not good at giving clear answers, BavarianWheels: "ditto" will not do for me. Tell me in your own words why the spirit conjured that came up out of the ground in 1 Sa 28:13-16 is a problem for you. Elaborate. FL It needs no elaboration. It's so simple the logic almost slaps...

I think his point is that the spirit of Samuel came up from the GRAVE. Since Samuel was a man of God, if he was in heaven, why come up from the grave (ground)? 1. So you think God cannot make a spirit come up out of the ground? 2. How do you explain that Samuel's spirit essentially said "I tol...

You really are not good at giving clear answers, BavarianWheels: "ditto" will not do for me.

Tell me in your own words why the spirit conjured that came up out of the ground in 1 Sa 28:13-16 is a problem for you. Elaborate.

FL

My compliments to you, Zoegirl. Your answer - above - to madscientist impressed me.

FL

BavarianWheels, Give me succinct answers, don't let me guess what you may mean: Fürstentum Liechtenstein wrote:BavarianWheels wrote:Now it's not only been established the spirit came up from the ground, but we have "Samuel" stating he's come up from the ground.Samuel's spirit actually said...

Two of your "proofs" are parables...and by definition...I think you know what I'm getting at. So you're maybe 1 for 4 since we already established that the spirit conjured was from below and not from heaven. In the above quote, you state quite clearly that the spirit was not from Heaven b...

No, FL, Jesus didn't speak of Abraham and Lazarus as literally being in heaven. This WAS simply a parable, and should be taken as such. Heaven is not the reward of the saved. The earth is. Psalms 37:11. Parable or literal, Jesus identified them as being in Heaven; and I doubt Jesus would steer us w...

No, we haven't established the spirit conjured was "from below" - you think it was. The biblical narrative makes it clear that the spirit was that of Samuel. You obviously didn't do the homework I gave you. A little error slipped into my previous post: Jesus also spoke of Abraham and Lazar...

BavarianWheels wrote:Ok...where are these individuals in the afterlife?

I gave you Biblical examples of individuals in the afterlife: Samuel, Moses, the rich man in Hell, and the Martyrs. Go back to my first posts on this subject and see.


FL

BavarianWheels, Here is some homework for you: -Read 1 Samuel 15. There, you will read the prohecy the living Samuel made to King Saul. -Read 1 Samuel 28. There, you will read the fulfillment of the prophecy made in 1 Sa 15; there also, you will read a prophesy made by the spirit of Samuel to King S...

Listen BavarianWheels, If you read the account of Saul, Samuel and the witch you will understand that the spirit that came out of the ground was that of Samuel. Why? because the spirit said, essentially, "I told you so." The spirit confirmed the living-Samuel's prophecy. A spirit of lies w...

Both quotes you refer to (Ps 6:5 & Ps 115:17) speak of the physical life and the physical grave, the return to dust or Sheol. I can't help but feeling that we are debating over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin! None of this is really important for those of us invited to Christ's we...

Are the dead concious? Psalms 146:4 "His spirit departs, he returns to the earth, in that very day his thoughts perish". Ecc. 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing". If the dead are concious, they would have some sort of thought, or know somethi...

Interesting to note: If the spirit that the witch conjurs up is from heaven...why does it come up from the ground??? Who cares? and why is this important? Doesn't the Bible say both these men were taken by God? No. Moses died a natural death. You are right in that Elijah was taken. Oh this is the b...