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by Nils
Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

That looks like some pretty sophisticated design to me. Here you say that the bee's nervous system processes and organizes the input data into meaningful information. This seems contradictory to your statement that "b. The only observed causal agent (definer and creator) of information is intellige...
by Nils
Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:44 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

In this particular example there is no code and there is no meaning. The star provides data, but not information. There is structure and organization to the behavior of the star that are a function of the laws of nature, but there is no code, there is no meaning, there is no purpose. The data from ...
by Nils
Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

DB, let's discuss the example Cepheid variables. They are a class of stars with the nice property that their diameter and luminosity varies with time, 1-50 day period, and the period length is directly proportional to the mean luminosity. This makes them an important tool for measuring distances. I...
by Nils
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:15 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

What do you say about this quotation from Wikipedia /Information? "The colored light reflected from a flower is too weak to do much photosynthetic work but the visual system of the bee detects it and the bee's nervous system uses the information to guide the bee to the flower, where the bee often f...
by Nils
Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:12 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

DB, let's discuss the example Cepheid variables. They are a class of stars with the nice property that their diameter and luminosity varies with time, 1-50 day period, and the period length is directly proportional to the mean luminosity. This makes them an important tool for measuring distances. I...
by Nils
Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

DB, let's discuss the example Cepheid variables. They are a class of stars with the nice property that their diameter and luminosity varies with time, 1-50 day period, and the period length is directly proportional to the mean luminosity. This makes them an important tool for measuring distances. If...
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

RickD wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:55 pm
Nils wrote:
Yes, it is, but there are lot of much more complicated designs in biology.
I’m glad you have finally realized this!
Sorry, I forgot for a moment which forum I'm visiting. I should have written:
"there are lot of much more complicated apparent designs in biology"
:-)
Nils
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

The inquirer does not have the information he desires about the status of the moon. That is why he is asking the responder for information about the status of the moon. The responder gathers the information and then transmits that information to the inquirer using a structured meaningful code (audi...
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

In your example, the moon was neither the sender or receiver of information. The moon was the object of the information. In your moon example, you were passing information about the status of the moon between two intelligences, the inquirer and the responder. But from where did the "inquirer" get t...
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

Information has to be meaningful and understandable by both the sender and the receiver . If you take my example with the full moon or astronomy generally. What does it mean that the information is "meaningful and understandable" to the moon? In your example, the moon was neither the sender or rece...
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:22 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

Information has to be meaningful and understandable by both the sender and the receiver . If you take my example with the full moon or astronomy generally. What does it mean that the information is "meaningful and understandable" to the moon? In your example, the moon was neither the sender or rece...
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:22 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

DB, I have some problems with you definition of information: a. My operating definition of information is "data with meaningful non-random structure and organization". If you take a tale which certainly has meaningful non-random structure and organization. Is this new information? Seems curious to m...
by Nils
Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

Paul and Philip, random mutations give no information. It is random mutations + natural selection that do the job. You should know. Same as everyday trial and error. Trial is more and less random. Error is the feed back, a selection mechanism. Nils What drives natural selection? how does "nature se...
by Nils
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:43 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

Paul and Philip, random mutations give no information. It is random mutations + natural selection that do the job. You should know. Same as everyday trial and error. Trial is more and less random. Error is the feed back, a selection mechanism. Nils What drives natural selection? how does "nature se...
by Nils
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 23989

Re: Creation of information

To clarify, (1) if I ask you what weather it's outside and you answer that it's raining I get a piece of information. If I answer... "It is raining outside." I have given you information. I have given you a string of alphabetical symbols that have "meaningful non-random structure and organization" ...