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by Nils
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:25 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Byblos, I am not sure what you mean but this is my thought. If you have a program that runs on a computer and you change a single bit, in most cases the program will crash or at least not work properly so I don't understand why you bring this up. From you and from others (for instance Meyer) I get ...
by Nils
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:49 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Actually I did... My whole post was a comment on the following Then going back to your interpretation. You write: "The newness is not a function of the input because even though the input is not known to the programmer, it represents a preexisting set of data that is not new. The 'newness' of the o...
by Nils
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:25 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

The key is your first statement... "The tool (the program) and the input data create together the piece of information." So let's look at the role of each of the two components that you mention... 1. Starting with the input. The input that is fed to the program is not new and it doesn't do anything...
by Nils
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:36 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

We're getting closer... Yes, but still some way to go ..... The tool (the program) and the input data create together the piece of information. Correct... However The Input is not new information... it's just data that represents something... The program processes the data and represents that data ...
by Nils
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

You think that the piece of information "LRRL" shall be traced backwards to processes that don't contain the information "LRRL". Absolutely... Especially when the information that is generated is output from a process that is driven by algorithms developed by an intelligent mind. You can't arbitrar...
by Nils
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

I don't "arbitrarily choose to ignore the intelligence generated algorithms". I just notice that they don't contain the piece of information we are talking about and that implies that it isn't possible to trace the information to them. I don't understand how you can defend the idea that you can tra...
by Nils
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

You just chose to arbitrarily stop at the program execution, even though the program execution itself represents the algorithms and design of an intelligent mind. You think that the piece of information "LRRL" shall be traced backwards to processes that don't contain the information "LRRL". Absolut...
by Nils
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Nils wrote: Yes, but only in a very indirect way. The actual information comes from the program execution which is independent of the programmer. The programmer is the source of the program code but the program code isn't the source of the information; it's when the code is executed knowledge/infor...
by Nils
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Re #58 Again: If we take a piece of information created by the execution of the program, for instance "LRRL", this piece of information can not be found anywhere in the code and is not known by the programmer. Is this correct? Yes or No? Yes So when you trace this piece of information back to a sou...
by Nils
Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:43 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Re #58 Again: If we take a piece of information created by the execution of the program, for instance "LRRL", this piece of information can not be found anywhere in the code and is not known by the programmer. Is this correct? Yes or No? So when you trace this piece of information back to a source ...
by Nils
Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Re #58 Again: If we take a piece of information created by the execution of the program, for instance "LRRL", this piece of information can not be found anywhere in the code and is not known by the programmer. Is this correct? Yes or No? So when you trace this piece of information back to a source ...
by Nils
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

Re #58 Again: If we take a piece of information created by the execution of the program, for instance "LRRL", this piece of information can not be found anywhere in the code and is not known by the programmer. Is this correct? Yes or No? So when you trace this piece of information back to a source y...
by Nils
Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:52 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

The discussion of the semantics of "source" doesn't seem to lead anywhere so I return to #49 instead. 6:52 "Whenever we see information and we trace it back to a source it always comes to a mind not an undirected material process". "it" in this sentence clearly refers to "information" Correct... An...
by Nils
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:42 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

The discussion of the semantics of "source" doesn't seem to lead anywhere so I return to #49 instead. 6:52 "Whenever we see information and we trace it back to a source it always comes to a mind not an undirected material process". "it" in this sentence clearly refers to "information" Correct... And...
by Nils
Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 91
Views: 2506

Re: Creation of information

In your example we can take the new information created by a computer and trace it through algorithms in a computer program back to the source of those computer algorithms, which is an intelligent programmer. Your example just validates Meyer's premise "Whenever we see information and we trace it b...