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by Nils
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:39 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

As I said before, although I do not believe we're at a stalemate in any way, I really don't think I can contribute further to this topic as I see I'm beginning to repeat myself. From the beginning my goal was never to convince you of anything Nils, nor to win any cheap debates, as I am equally cert...
by Nils
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:32 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

Your entire counter-argument to the PSR rests on rationality being a-rational (a self-defeating premise if there is any), and the premise that a set of 1 is unintelligible. Unless and until you prove both It is no stalemate. 1. About rationality . This is not an argument specifically related to our...
by Nils
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:17 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

As you already know, to me self-explanation is not intelligible. How can you say that the reason why an entity is as it is, is that it is as it is – the nature of the entity? So I am of course interested in you explanation. If that's your position, that there is no such thing as a self-explained th...
by Nils
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:05 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

Byblos, I'll answer within a few days, hopefully.
Nils
by Nils
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:59 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

You said that something being the explanation of itself is not logical, correct? Rather that it isn’t intelligible. To me the rules of logic doesn't seem to be involved. So that means that everything must have an explanation for what it is, that it is, why it is, outside of itself, correct? I mean,...
by Nils
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:53 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

Nils: either things have an explanation outside itself Yes Nils: ... or there is no explanation at all By saying no explanation is needed, that would be the same as asserting a thing needs no cause and is merely eternal / has forever existed. Of course, this is not scientific whatsoever a scientifi...
by Nils
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:43 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

You said that something being the explanation of itself is not logical, correct? Rather that it isn’t intelligible. To me the rules of logic doesn't seem to be involved. So that means that everything must have an explanation for what it is, that it is, why it is, outside of itself, correct? I mean,...
by Nils
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:32 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

Thanks for you patience, Byblos, this is a bit complicated matter. Not a problem at all, I just wanted to be sure we're still active in the discussion. Take your time but if it's taking too long (more than a day or 2) to respond, just drop a line saying so. I will try to do that if it's taking tooo...
by Nils
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

Nils, are you saying that something can't explain itself? (Scenario C: Something explains itself, to which you say it is not intelligible). Yes, I have never heard about anything (but God, according to some) that explains itself. Nils Edit: Of course excluding user manuals etc. Just wanted to be su...
by Nils
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:29 am
Nils, are you saying that something can't explain itself? (Scenario C: Something explains itself, to which you say it is not intelligible).
Yes, I have never heard about anything (but God, according to some) that explains itself.
Nils

Edit: Of course excluding user manuals etc.
by Nils
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:16 am
Forum: God and Science
Topic: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)
Replies: 82
Views: 1678

Re: The Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR)

Thanks for you patience, Byblos, this is a bit complicated matter. As you already know, to me self-explanation is not intelligible. How can you say that the reason why an entity is as it is, is that it is as it is – the nature of the entity? So I am of course interested in you explanation. In post #...
by Nils
Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:37 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Asking God to reveal himself?
Replies: 36
Views: 605

Re: Asking God to reveal himself?

Philp wrote the following in another thread. I comment it now: Nils, don't know if I've asked you before - but have you ever attempted asking God to reveal Himself to you? Because if the God of the Bible exists, it's clear He wants you to know about Him. No amount of philosophical investigation, po...
by Nils
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:46 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Asking God to reveal himself?
Replies: 36
Views: 605

Re: Asking God to reveal himself?

Perhaps you are right but I get the impression that theists often don’t even understand the atheist arguments (that they don’t agree is of course evident). At least they very seldom reproduce the arguments correctly. Examples are fine tuning, morality and evolution. They often even don’t think that...
by Nils
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:37 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Asking God to reveal himself?
Replies: 36
Views: 605

Re: Asking God to reveal himself?

Nils... You say you have no longing for God. Why not? If God were to be proved to you, would that induce a longing in you? You say you don't wish to be deluded and if God exists then you are yet you don't long for God. If you don't long for God then why do you care? Storyteller, The reason you long...
by Nils
Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Asking God to reveal himself?
Replies: 36
Views: 605

Re: Asking God to reveal himself?

This part here got my attention: The advice you give me to study other persons way to faith is misguided. I, and probably most thoughtful atheist, are in the position that we have little to learn from emotional arguments. What most atheist mean is that they have little to learn from the emotional a...