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by DBowling
Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

DB: This means that the Darwinian processes of random mutation and natural selection alone are incapable of producing the genetic differences we see between species in the fossil record and in life today. And to the above, I can hear the entrenched, emotional evolutionists out there shrugging and s...
by DBowling
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

BUT, the issue that some have with evolution is WHEN has a new species evolved? That is the crux of the problem of some people with evolution. I may be totally missing your point, but let me give it a shot. The fossil record can tell us when a specific species appeared, but it cannot tell us precis...
by DBowling
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:22 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

So, where do we draw the line at what is and isn't a different species ? I tried to address this in an earlier post, but I don't see the concept of species as a causal agent in evolution. What we identify as species are associated with common traits that are observable at the macro level and the po...
by DBowling
Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:44 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

There is observable scientific data to support the premise that "natural selection" is part of the 'how'? There is genetic evidence to support the premise that genetic 'mutation' could also be part of the 'how'? I should not have put '?' at the end of both of those sentences. And I am unable to edi...
by DBowling
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:28 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

Science can't explain the why, as someone here said (I think Philip), just the how. I would submit that science has not yet identified a viable "how" for the development of life on the our planet. There is observable scientific data to support the premise that "natural selection" is part of the 'ho...
by DBowling
Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

Nobody has really commented the argument yet. Everybody think that it is valid? I don't think your argument is valid due to the reasons I have posted in this thread. Your argument is based on assumptions about evolution that are contradicted by the observed behavior of evolution in nature and in ev...
by DBowling
Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:10 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

Second that to achieve multiple changes you don’t have to multiply the probabilities for each change with each other (the Behe’s argument in his book is that you have to). If that were the case the probability would be extreme low. In his book, Behe demonstrates the the difference between malaria's...
by DBowling
Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:52 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

In terms of the creation of a new species, well, that is tricky because while we can observe the "creation" of a new strain of malaria, for example, is that a new "species" or is it a different type of malaria? or are we simply "spliting hairs'? I think Behe's focus on what is occurring at the mole...
by DBowling
Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:05 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

I see what you are saying now.I should'nt have accused you and Behe of promoting evolution. He is trying to show the limitations of evolution.Still,I do think he gives evolution too much benefit of the doubt.It is totally dishonest science and deception. Behe isn't being dishonest when he describes...
by DBowling
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

Can I ask you a question? What is the difference with Charles Darwin using the variation of his finches to convince the world that these small variations can add up given enough time generation after generation ad infinitum leading to one kind of life evolving into a new and totally different kind ...
by DBowling
Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

this is why most people agree with theistic/deistic evolution Well, misunderstanding or ignorance of evolution is rather common. Nils Not necessarily ignorance of how it works, just that it makes sense for someone to "help" get evolution going here and there. Not even that, it can simply be a case ...
by DBowling
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:08 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design

I never understood how Behe accepts natural selection because there is no credibile mechanism for evolution,which means it is impossible to demonstrate how natural selection can effect any kind of life and cause it to evolve. Natural selection does not 'cause' anything to evolve. Natural selection ...
by DBowling
Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:49 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Experimental Evidence against Darwinistic Evolution

This “logical outcome” is erroneous as I written several times and I have tried to explain why. If you don’t understand my explanation then ask and I will try to explain in more detail. But stop just repeating your misunderstanding. Behe doesn’t agree with you either. Asserting that the logical out...
by DBowling
Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:07 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: The Toolbox argument against Intelligent Design
Replies: 94
Views: 1438

Re: The Experimental Evidence against Darwinistic Evolution

Please show me where Behe in his The Quarterly article writes that the conclusion is “If Darwinian evolution is at work, it tends to remove FCTs much faster than it creates them — something else must be generating the information for new FCTs." or something similar. Let's start with what the Discov...
by DBowling
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: Politics and World Events
Topic: No comments on Kavanaugh???
Replies: 69
Views: 789

Re: No comments on Kavanaugh???

What does that even mean? What rights is the State denying Kavanaugh? Are you saying that the Senate is infringing on his rights by taking Ford's allegations seriously? Let me kind of agree with Paul here... When uncorroborated accusations are used to publicly defame any person's private and profes...