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by Kenny
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:55 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Come on Kenny! You said that X equals cells, and Y equals God. And you said that there's scientific empirical evidence that X always existed. You might want to go back and read what you wrote. From post #82 Consider the possibilities concerning “X”&“Y”. There is empirical evidence and scientific pr...
by Kenny
Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:25 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

But that's not what you said. You said there was empirical evidence that cells always existed. You've obviously misunderstood me. That's not what I said. Go back and read what I wrote. Come on Kenny! You said that X equals cells, and Y equals God. And you said that there's scientific empirical evid...
by Kenny
Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:28 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

It doesn't mean that you have proof that any of them are true? Didn't you say, "There is empirical evidence and scientific proof concerning the existence of X"? With "X" being cells, there is empirical evidence concerning the existence of Cells. But that's not what you said. You said there was empi...
by Kenny
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:43 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

You aren't going to answer my question are you. Again; is there anything of the material world that God didn't create? (a yes or no answer would be just fine) God is directly AND indirectly responsible for all creation AND CHANGE in the universe. That is the point I was trying to make with the pers...
by Kenny
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:39 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Isn't that what you were arguing here? You said that your view is scenario 1 sounds more logical and practical. In other words, your view is that x, or cells, or life, has always existed. Just because If find #1 more practical than #2 does not mean I have proof that any of them are true. BTW had I ...
by Kenny
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:46 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

It shows that your logic is faulty. Unless you have some kind of evidence that X, aka cells, aka biological life, has always existed. I've never claimed cells aka biological life has always existed, so I am not required to show that it has. Isn't that what you were arguing here? Consider the possib...
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Let's assume that God created some kind of "materials", or matter from nothing. Then He eventually, perhaps millions or billions of years later, created living cells from existing matter. Can you see how that would be different? Okay; I think it is a bit of a semantics thing; but it still doesn’t c...
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

No. How is it different? Let's assume that God created some kind of "materials", or matter from nothing. Then He eventually, perhaps millions or billions of years later, created living cells from existing matter. Can you see how that would be different? Okay; I think it is a bit of a semantics thin...
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

No Ken, I was responding to what YOU said. So again; if God created materials from nothing, and used those materials to assemble cells, that would be the same as God creating cells from nothing. No. How is it different? Let's assume that God created some kind of "materials", or matter from nothing....
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:35 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Ken: This model does not include an intelligence that preceded it, yet you insist that it did! Why would you do this? Philip: Because of what it asserts happened, Ken! And what happened required intelligence! If that were true, cosmologists would have made it a part of the theory. do you know more ...
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:04 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

I thought you said that you were talking about cells? Why couldn't God have used something that existed, to create cells? Why must God have popped cells out of thin air? Are you saying there are things of the material world that God did not create? No Ken, I was responding to what YOU said. So agai...
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Ken, Your "analogy" that you posted in post #82, here: This is a false dichotomy. Why must it only be 1 or 2? By your definition of create, God making something from nothing, why must cells be created from nothing, and not from existing material? If God create materials from nothing, then he uses t...
by Kenny
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:11 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Ken: This model does not include an intelligence that preceded it, yet you insist that it did! Why would you do this? Because of what it asserts happened, Ken! And what happened required intelligence! If that were true, cosmologists would have made it a part of the theory. do you know more than the...
by Kenny
Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Ken: Again; if the Singularity that expanded had an eternal existence, that would dispel the “design and orchestrated” idea as well won’t it. NO it would not - which, after all this time, you clearly don't appear to understand! Eternalness ALONE of whatever pre-existed the Big Bang does not provide...
by Kenny
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Information - Natural or Intelligence?
Replies: 153
Views: 1382

Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

Ken, Your "analogy" that you posted in post #82, here: This is a false dichotomy. Why must it only be 1 or 2? By your definition of create, God making something from nothing, why must cells be created from nothing, and not from existing material? If God create materials from nothing, then he uses t...