Evidence for God from Science

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Thoughts?

P.S. my respect to EM on what he achieved

It’s his money, and he can choose to use it however he wants, I guess.

But seeing that the guy is a genius, he could probably find a better use for his money than his goal of us being a multi planetary species.

People don't seem to understand that man's selfish narcissism would merely follow him into space and onward to other planets. Elon can surely see that if things keep on going the way they are, earth will eventually be a stinking ruin with the people remaining just fighting over whatever things that might be left behind. Ultimately, if you don't believe there is Anyone above us to save us and be depended upon to help keep us from our worse impulses - and if only YOU make up all your own rules - then you'll eventually succumb to whatever terrible impulses you may harbor within, and as it serves your own selfish purposes. And for some people, those impulses to satisfy the "man in the mirror" can be pretty horrific! I pity the planet man might one day colonize, as it's natives will subsequently remark, "There goes the neighborhood!"

We need to learn how to take care of this planet first. If we can't even do that, a planet 2 will just make it all worse.

GreenLife wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:45 am We need to learn how to take care of this planet first. If we can't even do that, a planet 2 will just make it all worse.

And how can we learn to take care of our planet if consumption increases every year? You say good things, but you yourself are part of the system that is killing our planet, because you use the results of the production of things by those who are often condemned: the Internet, electricity, cars, buy clothes made of synthetic fabrics, just like others you produce garbage, most of which is plastic. I’m already silent about the fact that we buy a bunch of different devices, tools and other things. I recently bought myself a chainsaw because I store firewood for the fireplace. Found some great chainsaws in this review https://homemakerguide.com/best-chainsaw-under-300/ and am not at all shy about needing this tool. I don't have much free time to cut wood with a hand saw. And it seems to me that the development of other planets is an excellent way to extract useful resources and utilize waste, which ultimately will allow us to improve the state of the Earth.

Those are some cute little chainsaws - but they take forever on anything big!

Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:10 am [You say good things, but you yourself are part of the system that is killing our planet, because you use the results of the production of things by those who are often condemned: the Internet, electricity, cars, buy clothes made of synthetic fabrics, just like others you produce garbage, most of which is plastic.

I believe in practising what you preach rather. I haven't bought new clothes in a year and actively avoid plastic so the assumption is not 100% accurate?! But this isn't about me, some of these things can't be fixed by the way we consume as there is no alternative to buy sometimes essentials, not everything is a consumer problem. Yes, of course, we can reduce, reuse, recycle - zero waste style.

One thing we can solve by running to planet B is the overpopulation issue. That I can't argue with that at all.

GreenLife wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:20 pm

Challenger007 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:10 am [You say good things, but you yourself are part of the system that is killing our planet, because you use the results of the production of things by those who are often condemned: the Internet, electricity, cars, buy clothes made of synthetic fabrics, just like others you produce garbage, most of which is plastic.

I believe in practising what you preach rather. I haven't bought new clothes in a year and actively avoid plastic so the assumption is not 100% accurate?! But this isn't about me, some of these things can't be fixed by the way we consume as there is no alternative to buy sometimes essentials, not everything is a consumer problem. Yes, of course, we can reduce, reuse, recycle - zero waste style.

One thing we can solve by running to planet B is the overpopulation issue. That I can't argue with that at all.

I agree with you. Imagine if humanity gives up super-consumption, if mobile phones change every 3-4 years, and not annually, as many do in the pursuit of brands and new products. Techniques are now frankly made for one day so that people buy and buy. These are the simplest examples.

It's not overpopulation that is our problem - it's overpopulation OF THE STUPID (yep, unfortunately, much of mankind).

Yes, the Earth is far, far from being overpopulated. Not enough resources for everyone? We're producing enough to give 10 to 11 billion people European standards of living! Still, it'd be better to stop gathering everyone in cities, rural regions worldwide should really be revived by the development of remote working. At least, this is why I'm looking at the Greece investor visa https://tranio.com/articles/why-investo ... a-program/ and at how much country houses cost there, cities are fine when you're a young adult who wants to kickstart their career, but once this is done...

Hello, Dimitar, long time since you've been here. Do you still live in Russia? If so, what part of Russia?

Hope you'll hang around - we don't have too many from your area of the world.

Hello! Yes, I still live there, I could have gotten a job abroad, but then, COVID happened. But then, I've found another option in Russia, and it's pretty great.

Thunderbolt: But then, I've found another option in Russia, and it's pretty great.

Again, what part of Russia - and what was your option?

This is all bull. Fancy words to hide the fact that with their view there is no meaning.

If there is no God or creation then there is no meaning. We are merely an accident.

Only if there is a creator God is there meaning.

Thunderbolt47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:51 pm Yes, the Earth is far, far from being overpopulated. Not enough resources for everyone? We're producing enough to give 10 to 11 billion people European standards of living! Still, it'd be better to stop gathering everyone in cities, rural regions worldwide should really be revived by the development of remote working. At least, this is why I'm looking at the Greece investor visa https://tranio.com/articles/why-investo ... a-program/ and at how much country houses cost there, cities are fine when you're a young adult who wants to kickstart their career, but once this is done...

Doesn't sound very logical. To feed people, you need a developed agricultural industry. And you propose the relocation of people to the countryside, but on the basis of remote work. So people should eat air? Today everyone wants to earn a lot. Of course, the owners of agricultural companies make good profits, but ordinary workers do not get that much. Their earnings are significantly inferior to those of IT specialists, translators, etc. Yes, I understand that learning to care for corn or cows is easier than learning a foreign language or programming languages. But since humanity needs something to eat, there must be a different approach. On the other hand, if agricultural workers earn more, then the products will cost more. And this is already a reason for dissatisfaction.