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Hey RickeyDRickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:02 amTo try to test Kenny's assertion, I did a little experiment.
I asked my dog if he thinks dogs are more special than people. He wagged his tail, and licked me in the face.
I asked my cat if he thinks cats are more special than people. He meowed, and rubbed up against me.
My conclusion, is that animals don't think like humans do. Pretty scientific, I'd say.
There is a huge list of things that are unique to humans, that no other animal or specie compares to us.Story: There is something that sets us apart.
The human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
Excellent point.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
Don't get too excited Kenny, it still does nothing for your argument.Kenny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:11 pmExcellent point.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
There is a difference between an animal killing the offspring of a competing alpha or animals leaving a weak offspring to either die or survive and the conscious killing of ones OWN offspring for the sake of convenience, especially when there is an understanding of right and wrong.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
Absolutely. That's why murder is exclusive to humanity.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:34 amThere is a difference between an animal killing the offspring of a competing alpha or animals leaving a weak offspring to either die or survive and the conscious killing of ones OWN offspring for the sake of convenience, especially when there is an understanding of right and wrong.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
Lions have been known to kill the cubs in a pride they take over as it brings the lionesses into season, ensuring it's his genes passed on.RickD wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:50 amAbsolutely. That's why murder is exclusive to humanity.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:34 amThere is a difference between an animal killing the offspring of a competing alpha or animals leaving a weak offspring to either die or survive and the conscious killing of ones OWN offspring for the sake of convenience, especially when there is an understanding of right and wrong.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
C'mon Rick; just because you might get it right every now and then doesn't mean I'm excited. After all; even a broken clock can be right twice a day (LOL)RickD wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:24 amDon't get too excited Kenny, it still does nothing for your argument.Kenny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:11 pmExcellent point.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 amThat's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!Ken: For the same reason Grizzly Bears are special in the eyes of other Grizzly Bears.
Yep, it is an animalistic, instinctive act based on self-preservation and genetic reproduction.Storyteller wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:54 pmLions have been known to kill the cubs in a pride they take over as it brings the lionesses into season, ensuring it's his genes passed on.RickD wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:50 amAbsolutely. That's why murder is exclusive to humanity.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:34 amThere is a difference between an animal killing the offspring of a competing alpha or animals leaving a weak offspring to either die or survive and the conscious killing of ones OWN offspring for the sake of convenience, especially when there is an understanding of right and wrong.RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:12 pmThe human species is also well known for killing its offspring, in the name of inconvenience.Philip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:07 am
That's not true - grizzlies (which are merely a subspecie of brown bear) are well known to not only attack other brown bears, but for killing their cubs as well, and sometimes their mothers. Females with cubs avoid male bears at all costs. They are brutal predators and opportunists!
On so, the obvious question is, WHY would a human understand the act to be wrong? Actually, many don't, willing to ruthlessly slaughter all who it serves their evil purposes to do so. But that the vast majority of humanity sees killing humans without a defensive reason morally wrong - WHY??? Most people are not opposed to eating the meat of animals, or using their skins (leather, etc.). So why do most thing killing people is a terrible thing? And don't bother with the blather that it keeps societal peace. Because when a person is murdered, people see it as a deeply hurtful, terrible, brutal act against a person and their family and friends - they aren't saying to themselves, "Oh, this is just not going to be good for society!"Paul: The difference is that a human would know/understand the act to be wrong
Note that I stated, in parenthesis, that it could be viewed as right depending on the relativistic moral view.Philip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:56 amOn so, the obvious question is, WHY would a human understand the act to be wrong? Actually, many don't, willing to ruthlessly slaughter all who it serves their evil purposes to do so. But that the vast majority of humanity sees killing humans without a defensive reason morally wrong - WHY??? Most people are not opposed to eating the meat of animals, or using their skins (leather, etc.). So why do most thing killing people is a terrible thing? And don't bother with the blather that it keeps societal peace. Because when a person is murdered, people see it as a deeply hurtful, terrible, brutal act against a person and their family and friends - they aren't saying to themselves, "Oh, this is just not going to be good for society!"Paul: The difference is that a human would know/understand the act to be wrong