Healthy skepticism of ALL worldviews is good. Skeptical of non-belief like found in Atheism? Post your challenging questions. Responses are encouraged.
I think we should ban the word atheist, change it to non believer.
I have never thought science absolutely proves God, it may explain the how but it can't explain the why, and God is the why.
There are a lot of scientists that dont discount God, what makes them think that if science disproves God?
In answer to your hypothetical question Ken, I would call them a person of (misguided) faith
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Storyteller wrote:I think we should ban the word atheist, change it to non believer.
I have never thought science absolutely proves God, it may explain the how but it can't explain the why, and God is the why.
There are a lot of scientists that dont discount God, what makes them think that if science disproves God?
In answer to your hypothetical question Ken, I would call them a person of (misguided) faith
The question was aimed at someone who claims an atheist must assert God does not exist rather than someone who simply doesn’t believe in God (note the difference) which seems a rather impossible position to hold unless God is defined first. Judging from previous conversations, you don’t seem to hold this position.
Anyway getting back to the hypothetical, which of the three would you say I would fit under; Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic?
Ken
RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Storyteller wrote:I think we should ban the word atheist, change it to non believer.
I have never thought science absolutely proves God, it may explain the how but it can't explain the why, and God is the why.
There are a lot of scientists that dont discount God, what makes them think that if science disproves God?
In answer to your hypothetical question Ken, I would call them a person of (misguided) faith
The question was aimed at someone who claims an atheist must assert God does not exist rather than someone who simply doesn’t believe in God (note the difference) which seems a rather impossible position to hold unless God is defined first. Judging from previous conversations, you don’t seem to hold this position.
Anyway getting back to the hypothetical, which of the three would you say I would fit under; Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic?
Ken
Will respond, even tough it looks like it will be a couple of weeks til we chat again
I'd say you were a non believer
maybe agnostic because as far as I am aware you dont claim God doesnt exist, just that you dont think He does.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
I doubt this is going to achieve the result you're hoping for.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.
I doubt this is going to achieve the result you're hoping for.
It's gone beyond the point of achieving the result I'm looking for(honest conversation that he actually pays attention to, and understands what others say).
I hope you all understand why we "bent" the forum rules, and allowed Kenny to continue posting as long as we have.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Debated whether to post this here or pm you Rick, forgive me if you feel it should have been pm.
I dont quite understand why you banned Ken. He didnt answer a question? Seriously? You know I respect you, as a poster and as a moderator, I just dont get this.
Although Ken and I disagree about God, any discussions we've had have been interesting and respectful. I honestly dont understand why you banned him.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
Storyteller wrote:Debated whether to post this here or pm you Rick, forgive me if you feel it should have been pm.
I dont quite understand why you banned Ken. He didnt answer a question? Seriously? You know I respect you, as a poster and as a moderator, I just dont get this.
Although Ken and I disagree about God, any discussions we've had have been interesting and respectful. I honestly dont understand why you banned him.
Yes, if anyone has any questions about why Kenny was banned, please pm me.
Let's keep on topic from this point forward please.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Storyteller wrote:Debated whether to post this here or pm you Rick, forgive me if you feel it should have been pm.
I dont quite understand why you banned Ken. He didnt answer a question? Seriously? You know I respect you, as a poster and as a moderator, I just dont get this.
Although Ken and I disagree about God, any discussions we've had have been interesting and respectful. I honestly dont understand why you banned him.
Yes, if anyone has any questions about why Kenny was banned, please pm me.
Let's keep on topic from this point forward please.
not all scientists agree with Stephen Hawking and there are competing ideas too.
Oh, dear! You think I'm 10 years old or something?! Or 12? You think I don't know that? You think I believe every scientist agrees with mr. Hawking? Me, who keep showing you that every belief has someone else who doesn't believe in it? You think that is who I am? Huh?
You are going by non-peer reviewed scientific ideas out there,I hope you know.
Yes, I "know" it (not really, because I don't "know", I believe OR think). But those perspectives come from intelligent people, which is enough for me to consider their perspectives. Not believe; consider.
Is there any criteria that defines what you might believe once you've considered something?
Is there anything you believe or is it like, anything is a possibility?
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
