Joe Biden's Religion

[RickD]

For those of you who watched the vice-presidential debate, you might remember the "abortion" question. Of all the topics in the debate, this one stood out the most to me. Dennis Prager wrote an article about it here:
Joe Biden's religion: Catholicism or leftism

What do you think?

[PaulSacramento]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that catholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.
Joe is quite correct that he doesn't have the right to impose his religious beliefs on others.
Catholicisim is "liberal" in the sense that it advocates taking care of those that CAN'T take care of themselves, not WON'T or REFUSE but CAN'T.
The writer is also correct that Joe is picking and choosing which doctrines he believes in to impose ( or try to impose) on others.

[RickD]

Just a thought. I think Biden is being hypocritical in this instance. If he believes what Catholicism says about abortion, then he believes the issue is about killing innocent, unborn human beings. He doesn't want to "push" his beliefs that murder is wrong, on others? Or, he believes murdering the unborn is wrong, as his Catholic church teaches, but a woman's "right" to not be inconvenienced takes precedence over someone's life? Say it ain't so, Joe.

[Byblos]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that catholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.

I don't think so. Otherwise why bother evangelizing.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that [C]atholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.

I don't think so. Otherwise why bother evangelizing.

Byblos is right! The Bible's message applies to all, saved & unsaved.

FL

[PaulSacramento]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that catholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.

I don't think so. Otherwise why bother evangelizing.

To convert to the catholic doctrine, yes?

Byblos is right! The Bible's message applies to all, saved & unsaved.

Indeed, but we are discussing doctrine of an organized religion, not the bible's message.

Not all Christians subscribe to the doctrine of transubstantiation, right?

[Byblos]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that catholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.

I don't think so. Otherwise why bother evangelizing.

To convert to the catholic doctrine, yes?

Byblos is right! The Bible's message applies to all, saved & unsaved.

Indeed, but we are discussing doctrine of an organized religion, not the bible's message.

Not all Christians subscribe to the doctrine of transubstantiation, right?

What does any of this have to do with abortion and whether or not the Catholic message with respect to abortion is universal?

[jlay]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that catholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.
Joe is quite correct that he doesn't have the right to impose his religious beliefs on others.
Catholicisim is "liberal" in the sense that it advocates taking care of those that CAN'T take care of themselves, not WON'T or REFUSE but CAN'T.
The writer is also correct that Joe is picking and choosing which doctrines he believes in to impose ( or try to impose) on others.

A conservative ought to be trained to point out the problems with what Biden claims, which is a popular leftist argument.
Opposing abortion doesn't have to have anything to do with imposing one's religious beliefs on another. It has to do with personhood. If pro-life proponets didn't view the unborn as a human life, then there would be no argument, religious or otherwise. If someone were proposing euthenizing newborn babies with birth defects, would opposing this be imposing one's relgion on others? Hell no.

The fact is that Ryan looked like a goof and couldn't defend even some of the most basic conservative positions. The other fact is that Biden has submitted to a faulty argument to assuage what he knows to be morally reprehensible. People of faith do this all the time. It is a very easy cop out to say, "I don't think I should force my religion on anyone." Biden has personal values, and I assure you his personal values have manifested themself in the legislation he has supported over these many years.

[PaulSacramento]

I think the Catholic church makes it clear that catholic doctrine applies ONLY to catholics.
Joe is quite correct that he doesn't have the right to impose his religious beliefs on others.
Catholicisim is "liberal" in the sense that it advocates taking care of those that CAN'T take care of themselves, not WON'T or REFUSE but CAN'T.
The writer is also correct that Joe is picking and choosing which doctrines he believes in to impose ( or try to impose) on others.

A conservative ought to be trained to point out the problems with what Biden claims, which is a popular leftist argument.
Opposing abortion doesn't have to have anything to do with imposing one's religious beliefs on another. It has to do with personhood. If pro-life proponets didn't view the unborn as a human life, then there would be no argument, religious or otherwise. If someone were proposing euthenizing newborn babies with birth defects, would opposing this be imposing one's relgion on others? Hell no.

The fact is that Ryan looked like a goof and couldn't defend even some of the most basic conservative positions. The other fact is that Biden has submitted to a faulty argument to assuage what he knows to be morally reprehensible. People of faith do this all the time. It is a very easy cop out to say, "I don't think I should force my religion on anyone." Biden has personal values, and I assure you his personal values have manifested themself in the legislation he has supported over these many years.

I agree, Biden was playing both sides.
Which Ryan should have pointed out.

My point is that :technically: Biden was correct - RC doctrine applies to RC only and no one should force their religious views on another ( all things being equal, which they never are), He is just not consistent because CERTAIN views he has no problem forcing on others.

[RickD]

PaulS wrote:
My point is that :technically: Biden was correct - RC doctrine applies to RC only and no one should force their religious views on another ( all things being equal, which they never are), He is just not consistent because CERTAIN views he has no problem forcing on others

Phooey! Balderdash, and Hogwash!!! The specific question was about abortion. Either an unborn human is a person with a right to life, or he/she isn't. It really has nothing to do with Catholicism being forced upon others. He can't stand for anything. Say it ain't so, Joe. Take a stand for something, don't play both sides.

[Byblos]

PaulS wrote:
My point is that :technically: Biden was correct - RC doctrine applies to RC only and no one should force their religious views on another ( all things being equal, which they never are), He is just not consistent because CERTAIN views he has no problem forcing on others

Phooey! Balderdash, and Hogwash!!! The specific question was about abortion. Either an unborn human is a person with a right to life, or he/she isn't. It really has nothing to do with Catholicism being forced upon others. He can't stand for anything. Say it ain't so, Joe. Take a stand for something, don't play both sides.

Yep, that's it.

[PaulSacramento]

PaulS wrote:
My point is that :technically: Biden was correct - RC doctrine applies to RC only and no one should force their religious views on another ( all things being equal, which they never are), He is just not consistent because CERTAIN views he has no problem forcing on others

Phooey! Balderdash, and Hogwash!!! The specific question was about abortion. Either an unborn human is a person with a right to life, or he/she isn't. It really has nothing to do with Catholicism being forced upon others. He can't stand for anything. Say it ain't so, Joe. Take a stand for something, don't play both sides.

I think you are asking too much of Joe "stand up for Chuck" Biden.
Or any politician for that matter.

[Gman]

For those of you who watched the vice-presidential debate, you might remember the "abortion" question. Of all the topics in the debate, this one stood out the most to me. Dennis Prager wrote an article about it here:
Joe Biden's religion: Catholicism or leftism

What do you think?

I've always liked Prager. Every time I read his articles I think I like him even more. The guy is just smart.

[bippy123]

If Joe Biden is a Catholic then im a unitarian lol. He is all lip service. Abortion isnt only killing but its Murder. That guy is a pure leftist. Its funny how these pro choice people out there say that no can tell a woman what to do with her body, but that innocent life inside her is being slaughtered. He is a career politician and nothing more.

[RickD]

For those of you who watched the vice-presidential debate, you might remember the "abortion" question. Of all the topics in the debate, this one stood out the most to me. Dennis Prager wrote an article about it here:
Joe Biden's religion: Catholicism or leftism

What do you think?

I've always liked Prager. Every time I read his articles I think I like him even more. The guy is just smart.

You only like Prager because he's Jewish.