Evidence for God from Science

puritan lad wrote:Was that from his book 1994 or 2011?

puritan lad wrote:Does He still take the Lord's Supper "til He comes"?

Third, the ordinances have been done away with. Camping believes baptism and the Lord's Supper were “ceremonial laws” that were given to the church alone. Since the church is gone, so are the ordinances. There is to be no more baptism and celebration of the Lord's Supper. Camping says, amazingly, the “postchurch believer” can read about the ordinances and receive a spiritual benefit by doing so.

FFC wrote:Harold Camping say so.

http://www.equip.org/free/DC989.htm

Canuckster1127 wrote:

FFC wrote:Harold Camping say so.

http://www.equip.org/free/DC989.htm

Didn't we stone him already for being a false prophet?

FFC wrote:

puritan lad wrote:Was that from his book 1994 or 2011? :oops:

From what I can ascertain "1994" is mainly about his prediction of the second coming of Christ, which because of some faulty calculations did not occur.

This new message of enlightenment and illumination is from a pamplet he wrote called “Has the Era of the Church Age Come to an End?” as well as a 13 part series that he presented on his Radio program in 2001... based heavily on Hebrews 11 and Rev 11:7

puritan lad wrote:Does He still take the Lord's Supper "til He comes"?

Apparently not.

Third, the ordinances have been done away with. Camping believes baptism and the Lord's Supper were “ceremonial laws” that were given to the church alone. Since the church is gone, so are the ordinances. There is to be no more baptism and celebration of the Lord's Supper. Camping says, amazingly, the “postchurch believer” can read about the ordinances and receive a spiritual benefit by doing so.

puritan lad wrote:

FFC wrote:

puritan lad wrote:Was that from his book 1994 or 2011?

From what I can ascertain "1994" is mainly about his prediction of the second coming of Christ, which because of some faulty calculations did not occur.

This new message of enlightenment and illumination is from a pamplet he wrote called “Has the Era of the Church Age Come to an End?” as well as a 13 part series that he presented on his Radio program in 2001... based heavily on Hebrews 11 and Rev 11:7

puritan lad wrote:Does He still take the Lord's Supper "til He comes"?

Apparently not.

Third, the ordinances have been done away with. Camping believes baptism and the Lord's Supper were “ceremonial laws” that were given to the church alone. Since the church is gone, so are the ordinances. There is to be no more baptism and celebration of the Lord's Supper. Camping says, amazingly, the “postchurch believer” can read about the ordinances and receive a spiritual benefit by doing so.

Wow! I knew Camping was a nutcase, but I seriously have to doubt his faith at this point. I guess Christ is no longer ruling or reigning, and since His enemies haven't yet been defeated, Christ must have been.

Out of curiousity, How does He define the "church", since he uses the term "postchurch believer". What is that?

His teachings are specifically directed against conservative, evangelical, Reformed churches.

At some point in time, God brought judgment upon the church and destroyed it.2 Since that day, the church has been an “empty shell.” What does it mean that God has destroyed the church? Camping lists a number of results.

First, the gospel is no longer applied within the church, and the Holy Spirit is no longer active in the church. You can preach the gospel in the church all you want, but the Holy Spirit is not there; hence, there is no salvation taking place in the church. Anyone who is saved is saved “outside” the church (a phrase Camping repeats over and over again). When pressed, Camping has admitted that those who have been “converted” since the end of the church age within formal churches only look like they are saved — they are actually still unsaved. God is working entirely separate from the church today.

Second, there are no more elders or deacons. The church no longer has divine authority. Those who act as if they have this authority do so without divine warrant. There is no more church discipline nor any reason to fear such discipline should one of Camping's followers encounter it for promoting his teachings.