Evidence for God from Science

jenna wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

jenna wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

jenna wrote: God has provided salvation from eternal death, i thought this had been covered earlier? must have been a different thread. anyway, god's gift to us is eternal life, His punishment eternal death, from which there will be no resurrection. this is what we are being saved from, not eternal burning in hell.

So you don't believe that the passage in Revelations, about those not in the book of life being judged and thrown into the lake of fire?

The Defeat of Satan
7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Judgment Before the Great White Throne
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

yes, i believe they will be thrown in the lake of fire, but i do not believe they will burn for eternity. they will simply burn up and be gone, forever. the punishMENT is eternal, not the punishING.

The issue is that, according to that very chapter:

the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This states that punishment in the lake of fire is "forever and ever".

please note that it says the beast and the false prophet WERE, not are. they will be thrown in there and burned up. the ones tormented are the devil and his angels, since they cannot die.

PaulSacramento wrote:

jenna wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

jenna wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:
So you don't believe that the passage in Revelations, about those not in the book of life being judged and thrown into the lake of fire?

yes, i believe they will be thrown in the lake of fire, but i do not believe they will burn for eternity. they will simply burn up and be gone, forever. the punishMENT is eternal, not the punishING.

The issue is that, according to that very chapter:

the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This states that punishment in the lake of fire is "forever and ever".

please note that it says the beast and the false prophet WERE, not are. they will be thrown in there and burned up. the ones tormented are the devil and his angels, since they cannot die.

Ok,but not really the point.
The point is that punishment in the lake of fire is everlasting, it says so right here:
"Tormented day and night, forever and ever".

jenna wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

jenna wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

jenna wrote: yes, i believe they will be thrown in the lake of fire, but i do not believe they will burn for eternity. they will simply burn up and be gone, forever. the punishMENT is eternal, not the punishING.

The issue is that, according to that very chapter:

the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This states that punishment in the lake of fire is "forever and ever".

please note that it says the beast and the false prophet WERE, not are. they will be thrown in there and burned up. the ones tormented are the devil and his angels, since they cannot die.

Ok,but not really the point.
The point is that punishment in the lake of fire is everlasting, it says so right here:
"Tormented day and night, forever and ever".

yes, but not for humans. for satan and his angels

jenna wrote:not a single one of those verses says they will be tormented for eternity. sorry, Rick.

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:not a single one of those verses says they will be tormented for eternity. sorry, Rick.

Matthew 25:46

jenna wrote: again, i do not associate with any of these. i am not a member of any church or affiliated with any name. i am just a bible believer, in truth, justice and the american way.

jenna wrote:

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:not a single one of those verses says they will be tormented for eternity. sorry, Rick.

Matthew 25:46

eternal punishMENT, yes. not eternal punishING. when one is thrown in the lake of fire, they burn up and are gone forever. they will not burn for eternity. they will simply be gone, with no chance of a resurrection.

B. W. wrote:

jenna wrote: again, i do not associate with any of these. i am not a member of any church or affiliated with any name. i am just a bible believer, in truth, justice and the american way.

Not true Jenna you admit to associate with Herbert W Armstrong and even mentioned you have leaders...of his movement over you...

Armstrong's World Wide Church of God split up in splinter groups and you admitted to be a part of one.

You adhere to the WWCG doctrines. You belong to that group, please do not play us fools here, Jenna.

Have you forgotten you admitted these to us? Then why do you say you are not a member and affiliated after telling us who you follow as well as have leaders over you and you run something for them?

Bet you cannot question the contradictions of their doctrine can you or you might before their inquisition board or face group chastisement...

You defend that Jesus is Not God and that the Holy Spirit is not a He - not God either despite what Jesus reveals and the Holy Spirit says speaking as a He... You sound like Armstrong...

The bible is clear on who Jesus and the Holy Spirit is and that is not about privet interpretation based upon hubris of being right either...

You may not think you are under someones control and confuse this as freedom but dare rock the boat and you will find no grace from your group....
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RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:not a single one of those verses says they will be tormented for eternity. sorry, Rick.

Matthew 25:46

eternal punishMENT, yes. not eternal punishING. when one is thrown in the lake of fire, they burn up and are gone forever. they will not burn for eternity. they will simply be gone, with no chance of a resurrection.

I'm not sure if I even should respond to this, but here goes...

How is someone being burned up, annihilated, the same as eternal punishment?
You seriously can't comprehend this?

jenna wrote:

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:not a single one of those verses says they will be tormented for eternity. sorry, Rick.

Matthew 25:46

eternal punishMENT, yes. not eternal punishING. when one is thrown in the lake of fire, they burn up and are gone forever. they will not burn for eternity. they will simply be gone, with no chance of a resurrection.

I'm not sure if I even should respond to this, but here goes...

How is someone being burned up, annihilated, the same as eternal punishment?
You seriously can't comprehend this?

yes, i understand this. the eternal punishment is eternal death. as opposed to eternal life. when they are gone, it is eternally.

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:

RickD wrote:

jenna wrote:

RickD wrote: Matthew 25:46

eternal punishMENT, yes. not eternal punishING. when one is thrown in the lake of fire, they burn up and are gone forever. they will not burn for eternity. they will simply be gone, with no chance of a resurrection.

I'm not sure if I even should respond to this, but here goes...

How is someone being burned up, annihilated, the same as eternal punishment?
You seriously can't comprehend this?

yes, i understand this. the eternal punishment is eternal death. as opposed to eternal life. when they are gone, it is eternally.

If someone is annihilated, how are they being punished? How is non-existence, punishment?

You really need to think about what you're saying. It's really not logical.

crochet1949 wrote:Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.