Evidence for God from Science

Philip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Philip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Philip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Philip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Philip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am
Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:57 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?

Kenny wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:12 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:57 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?

Rocks have an actual existence; the numbers you mentioned don't.

RickD wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:29 am Rick: "Kenny, how old are you?"

Kenny: "I don't know, because numbers don't exist."