Evidence for God from Science

edwardmurphy wrote:My point was that I'm done with that discussion. Its at a dead end. You guys are welcome to do whatever you want.

edwardmurphy wrote:That's not how insurance works. It's also not how government spending works.

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edwardmurphy wrote:Most of that was incomprehensible, but yes, choosing not to abort is obviously in line with the pro-choice position because it's a choice.

For example, my wife was pregnant twice, and each time we had to make a choice about how to proceed. Both choices were easy - the pregnancies were intentional, my wife was in no danger, and the fetuses were developing normally - but had the situation been different we might have had to make a different choice. Either way, it would have been our choice. Not yours, not the government's, ours and ours alone. It's a difficult, extremely personal decision, and it's nobody else's [love] business.

edwardmurphy wrote:The reasons that people make their decisions are their own business.

And no, there is no reasonable comparison between abortion and slavery. There's nothing there, and if you ever want to do anything other than preach to the choir you'll bury that one deep.

Slavery rejects the humanity of slaves, while abortion rejections the humanity of children in the womb.

Slavery denies the personhood of slaves; abortion denies the personhood of children in utero.

Slavery was based upon the lie that slavery was best for the slaves; likewise, abortion is based upon the lie that abortion is best for unwanted children.

Defenders of slavery argued that the government had no right to tell slave-owners what to do with their bodies (the bodies of slaves they owned), and defenders of elective abortion argue that government has no right to tell women carrying unborn children what to do with their bodies (and the bodies of those children).

Southerners argued that they had the right to choose whether or not to own slaves; pro-choice abortionists argue that women have the right to choose whether or not to have abortions.

The South argued that slavery was protected by the Constitution; pro-abortionists likewise argue that elective abortion is protected by the Constitution.

Defenders of slavery argued that abolition would lead to chaos in the country, and opponents of abortion restrictions argue that abortion restrictions will lead to chaos.

Opponents of slavery argued that it was unfair to impose the burden of abolition upon one class (white slave-owners), while opponents of abortion restrictions argue that it is unfair to impose the burden of abortion restriction upon one class (women who want abortions).

Opponents of abolition argued that slaves were not real “persons,” and advocates of elective abortion (like Justice Blackmun in his 1973 opinion for the Court in Roe v. Wade) argue that unborn children are not “persons” in the whole sense, either.

Opponents of abolition argued that if lawmakers would leave slavery alone, it would gradually disappear; and opponents of abortion restrictions argue now that if lawmakers will leave abortion alone, it will recede and fade away.

Slavery was based upon a hierarchical view of race; abortion is based upon a hierarchical view of human life.

Defenders of slavery engaged in the vigorous suppression of abolitionist speech. Likewise, defenders of elective abortion impose draconian limits upon pro-life free speech.

Southerners considered abolitionists to be religious fanatics. Today, supporters of elective abortion consider advocates of reasonable abortions restrictions to be religious fanatics.

edwardmurphy wrote:Most of that was incomprehensible, but yes, choosing not to abort is obviously in line with the pro-choice position because it's a choice.

Hortator wrote:I thought this discussion was about time travel.

RickD wrote:Looks like someone's quote was "vampired".

Ultimate777,

You've been here long enough to be able to use a proper quote in your posts.

Ultimate777: You've been on Earth too long. We will all be happier if come sun up you are in heaven. Even you.

Philip wrote:

Ultimate777: You've been on Earth too long. We will all be happier if come sun up you are in heaven. Even you.

Ultimate, please watch the deliberately insulting comments - the one above is uncalled for!