Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

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Re: Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:34 pm

if you cannot prove Jesus was God by Matthew - John- which by the way were with Jesus ans his actual disciples during his time on earth, then how can you move forward to Paul???

Funny thing about actually reading the Bible, I tend to start with those who were with Jesus and not those who were not...

Interesting you would mention the Image of God because I do believe genesis 1:27 states God mad man in His own Image and in His own Likeness, so that argument is mute...

Oh no this discussion is about Jesus being God... more specifically the God of Genesis... you should actually go back and read the posts from the beginning because that is exactly what People are trying to convince me of....lol

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:37 pm

In order to understand Paul you must first Understand what the Trinity actually means... because unless you grasp the understanding of the first few books of the NT then you make make the rest of the Bible say what you want...

I can go on and on and on and on lol the fact remains, if you cannot validate a Trinity as 3 in one then there is no trinity....

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:42 pm

I am not arguing merely trying to understand how anyone can get Jesu was God from the first few books of the NT.... heck no evidence of it actually in any of the Bible... nor the Book of Thomas or the Book of Enoch... nor the Apocrypha's either.... lol... Which I am still trying fo figure out why they would leave them out of the Bible in the first place .... Because John wrote a couple of them and yes the same John that is in the NT lol where he explains what how he saw Jesus.... totally kills the trinity all together and I believe that is why they decided not to allow it in the authorized version....lol

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:44 pm

Small hint, I actually ask God when I have an issue and I am shown almost immediately... I don't rely on someone to tell me something, if I cannot form my own thoughts then there is not point in thinking....lol

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Re: Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:44 pm

Dude, Paul's letters were the FIRST writings about Jesus, you know that right?

So, again, please answer the question:
Is Paul Wrong?
Is John Wrong?
Is Jesus Wrong?

If so, WHAT is Jesus?

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:46 pm

If they were the first writings then why would they have been first in the NT???....

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Re: Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:48 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:44 pm
Dude, Paul's letters were the FIRST writings about Jesus, you know that right?

So, again, please answer the question:
Is Paul Wrong?
Is John Wrong?
Is Jesus Wrong?

If so, WHAT is Jesus?
that actually makes no sense...lol.... how can Paul have first hand knowledge when was not with Jesus during his ministry???

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:53 pm

Just because his writings were discovered first do not place them before Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.... nor James or peter who were there....lol...

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Re: Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:55 pm

Are you telling me that you don't know that the letters of Paul are BEFORE the gospels in terms of when they were written?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:55 pm

Again I ask:
Is Paul Wrong?
Is John Wrong?
Is Jesus Wrong?

If so, WHAT is Jesus?

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:02 pm

I actually paid no attention to the timeline, because the Disciples were there along side Jesus through his ministries and actually made note of what he said... how many times did Paul quote Jesus in his writings??? total of 24 but Matthew , Mark , Luke and John make quotes of what Jesus said that outnumber Paul by a long shot...

not telling you that at all lol.. just because his writings were found before the other gospels means nothing unless we has eyewitness to Jesus as were Matthew and John... so do you go By what Jesus says or By what Paul says??? or are Matthew and John making things up???

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Re: Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

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Post by RickD » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:03 pm

Lonnie,

Answer the questions:

Again I ask:
Is Paul Wrong?
Is John Wrong?
Is Jesus Wrong?

If so, WHAT is Jesus?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:03 pm

Again I ask:
Is Paul Wrong?
Is John Wrong?
Is Jesus Wrong?

If so, WHAT is Jesus?

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:05 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:55 pm
Again I ask:
Is Paul Wrong?
Is John Wrong?
Is Jesus Wrong?

If so, WHAT is Jesus?
it is my belief that your interpretation is wrong nut I am allowed that luxury as it is only my opinion...

John never once said Christ was God or even a god lol so in my opinion your interpretation is wrong as well...

And Jesus never once claimed to be God anywhere lol so I know he is not wrong, it is however my opinion that your interpretation is wrong because you are not taking into account all that Jesus has said because you seem to be ignoring a lot of where is states he is not God nor is he a God....lol...

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Post by LonnieOwesn1973 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:06 pm

so who is right Jesus or Paul???

Mark 10:45 “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

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