Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Discussions on ecclesiology such as the nature, constitution and functions of the church.

I have spoken in tongues

Yes
21
36%
No
37
64%
 
Total votes: 58

User avatar
Silvertusk
Board Moderator
Posts: 1952
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:38 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby Silvertusk » Tue May 13, 2014 3:17 am

Nice post Melanie - and welcome to the board.

User avatar
Danieltwotwenty
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2879
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:01 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Aussie Land

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Tue May 13, 2014 3:45 am

Your post resonates with me Mel, thank you for posting.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

User avatar
1over137
Technical Admin
Posts: 4804
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 6:05 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby 1over137 » Tue May 13, 2014 9:56 am

Welcome here. And i also am the type who likes silence and not yelling.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
-- Psalm 18:2

User avatar
melanie
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 1311
Joined: Sat May 10, 2014 3:18 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby melanie » Tue May 13, 2014 6:40 pm

Thankyou for your warm welcome's.
I was concerned about posting it as I thought it may offend and even though I am passionate about speaking the God inspired truth it is never my intention to offend anyone but sometimes when we speak the truth this outcome is inevitable but never an outcome I desire, so I am pleasantly surprised and grateful for your feedback.

User avatar
B. W.
Board Moderator
Posts: 8045
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:17 am
Christian: Yes
Location: Colorado

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby B. W. » Tue May 13, 2014 11:06 pm

melanie wrote:Thankyou for your warm welcome's.
I was concerned about posting it as I thought it may offend and even though I am passionate about speaking the God inspired truth it is never my intention to offend anyone but sometimes when we speak the truth this outcome is inevitable but never an outcome I desire, so I am pleasantly surprised and grateful for your feedback.


I do not think anyone would be offend by what you stated concerning your experience because it mirrors many others experiences as well too. What you said provides a great example of misusing the grace of God for showmanship and shake down for funds. Hype sells. Just know not to toss out the baby with the bath water. In fact 1 Co 13:1,2,3 speaks of this very thing and the reason for it and have a nice day...
-
-
-
Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)

Old Polish Proverb:
Not my Circus....not my monkeys

User avatar
1over137
Technical Admin
Posts: 4804
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 6:05 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: Slovakia
Contact:

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby 1over137 » Wed May 14, 2014 12:57 am

BW, your post was like:

td, td, tdd, tdd, td, td and have a nice day...

:mrgreen:
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
-- Psalm 18:2

User avatar
melanie
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 1311
Joined: Sat May 10, 2014 3:18 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby melanie » Wed May 14, 2014 6:46 am

Haha c'mon B.W Perhaps the millions of Pentecostals may be offended or even perhaps the people who posted on here who were stating their support of speaking in tongues or the 37% of people who took the poll and have spoken in tongues indicating a very strong possibility they are Pentecostal?? I was very aware of this and sincerely did not want to offend. Your a swell kinda guy, I can tell we are going to get along great, I will replace my warmth with your Ice should make a nice balance. And I had a wonderful day thankyou, I am a very positive person, which in turn creates positive experiences.

User avatar
B. W.
Board Moderator
Posts: 8045
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:17 am
Christian: Yes
Location: Colorado

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby B. W. » Wed May 14, 2014 12:55 pm

1over137 wrote:BW, your post was like:

td, td, tdd, tdd, td, td and have a nice day...

:mrgreen:


:lol:

-
-
-
Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)

Old Polish Proverb:
Not my Circus....not my monkeys

User avatar
Rob
Valued Member
Posts: 326
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:26 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby Rob » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:50 am

I grew up in a Pentecostal Charismatic church. You can always tell what type of church you're in by looking under the seats in the front row. If there's a stack of sheets next to the tissues, then rest assured- you are in a tongues speaking, spirit slaying church. I have recently addressed these topics in the latest episode of my podcast.

I no longer practice these things, but only did when I was a kid because I felt less holy if I didn't have tongues and slain experiences. It's been a really painful thing to admit, but it's true. I never spoke in tongues, but was coached to sort of "fake it til you make it" and then told that I was "filled with the Holy Spirit" when I was clearly just better at it because I'd been practicing. Folks in my church even went so far as to say that if you weren't "spirit filled", you weren't a "mature" Christian. Years later it donned on me that we are all "spirit filled" when we fall before God and repent, then accept His atonement through faith. No tongues needed.

I'm glad that I didn't lose my faith after all those years in the Charismatic movement, and I think God really used some things in it to help me, but it has caused a lot of damage I think inside of me. For instance, because of my upbringing, it's really hard for me to not not base my faith on how I feel. It was always about having an experience and "feeling" God before. While I think there are times when we probably do "feel" something, I'm so used to having to "feel" God that I look for it and am disappointed when I don't find it. I know in my mind that this isn't the right way to be, but it's a really hard habit to break. (It's taking me years)

Anyway, I'm trying more and more to be biblically sound. I've been clashing with relatives on charismatic doctrine recently and can usually "win" a debate with them using the Bible, but it's no use. Years of tradition have calloused their reason and I think that, because they've been doing it so long, it would be embarrassing to admit that JUST MAYBE some of these experiences were works of the flesh and not God.

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 18624
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kamino

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby RickD » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:57 am

Rob wrote:I grew up in a Pentecostal Charismatic church. You can always tell what type of church you're in by looking under the seats in the front row. If there's a stack of sheets next to the tissues, then rest assured- you are in a tongues speaking, spirit slaying church. I have recently addressed these topics in the latest episode of my podcast.

I no longer practice these things, but only did when I was a kid because I felt less holy if I didn't have tongues and slain experiences. It's been a really painful thing to admit, but it's true. I never spoke in tongues, but was coached to sort of "fake it til you make it" and then told that I was "filled with the Holy Spirit" when I was clearly just better at it because I'd been practicing. Folks in my church even went so far as to say that if you weren't "spirit filled", you weren't a "mature" Christian. Years later it donned on me that we are all "spirit filled" when we fall before God and repent, then accept His atonement through faith. No tongues needed.

I'm glad that I didn't lose my faith after all those years in the Charismatic movement, and I think God really used some things in it to help me, but it has caused a lot of damage I think inside of me. For instance, because of my upbringing, it's really hard for me to not not base my faith on how I feel. It was always about having an experience and "feeling" God before. While I think there are times when we probably do "feel" something, I'm so used to having to "feel" God that I look for it and am disappointed when I don't find it. I know in my mind that this isn't the right way to be, but it's a really hard habit to break. (It's taking me years)

Anyway, I'm trying more and more to be biblically sound. I've been clashing with relatives on charismatic doctrine recently and can usually "win" a debate with them using the Bible, but it's no use. Years of tradition have calloused their reason and I think that, because they've been doing it so long, it would be embarrassing to admit that JUST MAYBE some of these experiences were works of the flesh and not God.


Great post Rob. :clap:
1 Corinthians 1:9
9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Audie wrote:
"Christianity is not a joke, but it has some very poor representatives."


St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

User avatar
abelcainsbrother
Ultimate Member
Posts: 4273
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:31 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Gap Theory

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby abelcainsbrother » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:36 am

I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit however I believe the gifts are very rarely used properly in the church there is only one church I ever attended where I felt they were used properly but it would be better to not use them until they are used properly but I don't see how a person can believe the bible and reject the gifts of the Holy Spirit.I certainly do not believe they died out when the apostles died.I still prefer the Pentecostal church though over others because I like the liveliness myself but I actually think we need alittle of what all true Christian denominations teach and so I'm not like someone who is closed off to other denominations as long as they are biblical.I see strengths and weaknesses in them all.
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.

User avatar
B. W.
Board Moderator
Posts: 8045
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:17 am
Christian: Yes
Location: Colorado

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby B. W. » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:28 am

Rob wrote:I grew up in a Pentecostal Charismatic church. You can always tell what type of church you're in by looking under the seats in the front row. If there's a stack of sheets next to the tissues, then rest assured- you are in a tongues speaking, spirit slaying church. I have recently addressed these topics in the latest episode of my podcast.

I no longer practice these things, but only did when I was a kid because I felt less holy if I didn't have tongues and slain experiences. It's been a really painful thing to admit, but it's true. I never spoke in tongues, but was coached to sort of "fake it til you make it" and then told that I was "filled with the Holy Spirit" when I was clearly just better at it because I'd been practicing. Folks in my church even went so far as to say that if you weren't "spirit filled", you weren't a "mature" Christian. Years later it donned on me that we are all "spirit filled" when we fall before God and repent, then accept His atonement through faith. No tongues needed.

I'm glad that I didn't lose my faith after all those years in the Charismatic movement, and I think God really used some things in it to help me, but it has caused a lot of damage I think inside of me. For instance, because of my upbringing, it's really hard for me to not not base my faith on how I feel. It was always about having an experience and "feeling" God before. While I think there are times when we probably do "feel" something, I'm so used to having to "feel" God that I look for it and am disappointed when I don't find it. I know in my mind that this isn't the right way to be, but it's a really hard habit to break. (It's taking me years)

Anyway, I'm trying more and more to be biblically sound. I've been clashing with relatives on charismatic doctrine recently and can usually "win" a debate with them using the Bible, but it's no use. Years of tradition have calloused their reason and I think that, because they've been doing it so long, it would be embarrassing to admit that JUST MAYBE some of these experiences were works of the flesh and not God.



When one looks into the history of the Amercia style church from 1900 thru till the 19980's. You will discover how around the 1940-1950 era, the healing revivalist brought showmanship pride into the church and those healing times ended. After that, 1960-1970's you have the Word of Faith movement come in with its bible magic lamp approach with a jesus genie to do thy bidding. Each of these influenced and corrupted the charismatic and Pentecostal movements.

Much of what Rob and others wrote expresses this. It is a form of pride that crept into the church cemented to a desire to control outcomes along with a hefty unbalanced human need for attention which polluted and hinders what God wants to do. We all have a need to watch that in ourselves and not toss out the baby with the bath water.
-
-
-
Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)

Old Polish Proverb:
Not my Circus....not my monkeys

zacchaeus
Valued Member
Posts: 345
Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:59 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby zacchaeus » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:22 pm

The love doth never fail; and whether there be prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;

User avatar
B. W.
Board Moderator
Posts: 8045
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:17 am
Christian: Yes
Location: Colorado

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby B. W. » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:00 pm

zacchaeus wrote:The love doth never fail; and whether there be prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;


WE still need to talk and our tongues to form words and yes, we still have need of knowledge so guess they have not ceased...
-
-
-
Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)

Old Polish Proverb:
Not my Circus....not my monkeys

zacchaeus
Valued Member
Posts: 345
Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:59 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male

Re: Holy Spirit Baptism and Tongues

Postby zacchaeus » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:48 pm

for in part we know, and in part we prophecy; 10and when that which is perfect may come, then that which [is] in part shall become useless.


Return to “The Church”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests