Since it's Easter... :)

[ronjohn839]

First off, happy Easter to all. This day (some would argue tommorow) is a celebration of Christ's victory over death as well as our own. What the Bible teaches is that Jesus died upon the cross, was sealed in a tomb and rose from the dead after 3 days. For many people, even christians, it is hard to believe that Jesus could conquer the grave. However, he did and it is imperative that we discuss the ressurection because of what it implies. To sum up 1 corinthians 15:12-17 If Christ did not pass over from death then we are still in our sins and there is no life after death. Claiming that the ressurection did not take place also implies that Jesus, the disciples and Paul are all pathalogical liars. If this were true, would we ever b able to trust anything in the Bible? What i'm trying to say is that we can't b on the fence. claiming that Jesus was a good teacher, but incapable of ressurection would just make him a delusional liar. We must b rational and choose to take God at his word, no more cotton candy christianity meeting him halfway. God bless peace b with u!! Please post if u wish why you believe Christ rose or why you believe he didn't. It would be smart for us to reflect upon this life changing event.

[Silvertusk]

Good post and agree with everything you have said. I believe in the resurrection because of the evidence of the empty tomb, the post mortem appearances and the behaviour of the disciples after. Plus it all just makes sense.

[Rob]

Also, the disciples began immediately spreading the word in and around Jerusalem to being with. Oh how the deniers would have loved to be able to simply visit his tomb and prove that he was still in there! But, as we know, he was gone!

[PaulSacramento]

http://biologos.org/blog/does-resurrect ... ct-science

The scientific case against resurrection is pretty straightforward: once dead you stay dead -- that's just the way it works. Coming back to life after having been dead (I mean really dead) would constitute a violation of natural law -- a miracle -- and miracles just don't happen. Fair enough. But in his recent book on the last days of Jesus (Jesus of Nazareth Holy Week: From the Entrance Into Jerusalem to the Resurrection), Joseph Ratzinger (aka Pope Benedict XVI) argues that reckoning Resurrection as resuscitation of a corpse is to misunderstand its true significance. Jesus' Resurrection, he contends, was an utterly singular event, straining the very limits of human understanding:
"Anyone approaching the Resurrection accounts in the belief that he knows what rising from the dead means will inevitably misunderstand those accounts and will then dismiss them as meaningless" (p. 243).
In fact, if Jesus' Resurrection were "merely" coming back to life in any way that we might comprehend, then it would be of little significance.
"Now it must be acknowledged that if in Jesus' Resurrection we were dealing simply with the miracle of a resuscitated corpse, it would ultimately be of no concern to us" (p. 243).
So what then does Resurrection mean? For Benedict it represents a new dimension of reality breaking through into human experience. It is not a violation of the old; it is the manifestation of something new.
"Jesus had not returned to a normal human life in this world like Lazarus and the others whom Jesus raised from the dead. He has entered upon a different life, a new life -- he has entered the vast breadth of God himself..." (p. 244).
Because it is something entirely new, it cannot represent a violation of natural law as understood by science.
"Naturally there can be no contradiction of clear scientific data. The Resurrection accounts certainly speak of something outside our world of experience. They speak of something new, something unprecedented -- a new dimension of reality that is revealed. What already exists is not called into question. Rather we are told that there is a further dimension, beyond what was previously known. Does that contradict science? Can there really only ever be what there has always been? Can there not be something unexpected, something unimaginable, something new? If there really is a God, is he not able to create a new dimension of human existence, a new dimension of reality altogether?" (p. 246-7)
Thus, in this view, Resurrection (as with all true miracles) is not contrary to science, but an indicator that science does not (yet?) describe the full expanse of reality. Indeed, some may argue that science itself contains similar "indicators." The 11 (or so) dimensional universe required by some versions of string theory, the multiverse theory of the universe where ours is but one of an infinite array of universes with variable physical laws, quantum entanglements, "spooky" action at a distance, the mysterious emergence of consciousness from inorganic matter -- all push the limits of human reason and imagination, suggesting to some that reality may be far more complex than the human mind can grasp.
For a moment, let us entertain the possibility that Resurrection is as Benedict interprets it: not a violation of natural law but an indicator of something beyond our scientific understanding of the universe. This has interesting implications for understanding how believers and skeptics approach the issue. If Resurrection does not violate science, then science does not necessarily constitute an impediment to accepting the reality of Resurrection. If the difference between the skeptic and believer is not science, then is it just a matter of imagination? The believer imagines greater possibilities for the universe than the non-believer. While this is possible, it seems questionable. To my knowledge, no research has found differences in imaginative abilities between religious and non-religious people. Moreover, contrarian examples easily come to mind: Isaac Asimov was an atheist but hardly lacking in imagination when it came to science fiction. I tend to think that both believers and non-believers can imagine (with varying degrees of effort, I'm sure) the new possibilities implied by Resurrection.
Thus, if it is neither imagination nor science that prompts skepticism about Resurrection, then what is left? I suggest that it comes down to a question of authority: At what point does one allow imaginative possibilities to have authority over how one lives? To the believer, Resurrection has an authority that science fiction does not. Resurrection is not thought-provoking entertainment. It requires far more than just imagining greater possibilities for the universe. It requires a change of life, here and now. Unlike the microscopic hidden dimensions of string theory, the new dimension implied by Resurrection has "broken though" into everyday reality and demands a response -- even if that response is to actively ignore it.
Now, what convinces the believer that Resurrection merits such authority when other imaginative possibilities such as extraterrestrial life or time-travel do not? The answer here appears to be historical commitment. There's no record of people committing themselves to the point of martyrdom to other imaginative possibilities as they have to Resurrection. The earliest example of such commitment being found, of course, in the dramatic post-crucifixion turn-around of the Apostles. Such an astounding change of heart, followed by an unwavering commitment capable of altering human history demands a categorically unique explanation: Resurrection.
The believer's argument, however, remains unconvincing to the skeptic. However impressive they might be, a change of heart and steadfast commitment do not necessarily add up to a new dimension of reality. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Fair enough. So a key question regarding the interpretation of Resurrection is this: Is the post-crucifixion history of Christianity extraordinary? Does it compel the dispassionate observer to concede that a categorically unique event could plausibly be its best explanation?
It ought to be upon questions such as those above that skeptics and believers respectfully engage one another, rather than the simplistic and often acrimonious sloganeering that has increasingly become the norm.

[SonofAletheia]

Good post and agree with everything you have said. I believe in the resurrection because of the evidence of the empty tomb, the post mortem appearances and the behaviour of the disciples after. Plus it all just makes sense.

Well said.
I would more or less say what Silvertusk said here

We can establish at least three facts that are shown to be historically true (using scripture as well as secular sources)
1. The existence of Jesus Christ and his death by crucifixion
2. The postmortem appearances to the disciples and others (which they sincerely believed, preached and were willing to suffer and die for)
3. The postmortem empty tomb

All of these facts are best explained by the resurrection