Evidence for God from Science

The Hebrew roots movement involving churches like 'passion for truth ministries' and '119 ministries' are preaching a false gospel that is ensnaring many christians.
I happened to come across a FB page called 'Jesus Christ is KING'. Someone I knew had like the page so I thought I would check it out. Seemed pretty good at first glance, over 2 million likes, comments reaching in the thousands on different posts. Then I realised that they were not only promoting for christians to live under OT law, but that it was essential for a true believer to do so. They renounce the name of Jesus as a pagan false name. They believe we must keep all the Jewish feasts days and that we should not eat unclean animals.
Two churches that I noticed who were affiliated with the page were 'passion for truth' and '119', I'm sure there are others but I didn't look much further into it. One thing that bothered me when I looked to see what 'passion for truth' were about apart from misleading people and misinterpreting the bible I saw in their mission statement this;

Passion for Truth’s authority framework uses the original model given by God to the first congregation recorded, which was led by Moses. Yeshua is the top authority. The next layer of authority is the Beit Din (explained below) and the Sr. Pastor. Elders, Deacons, Ministry Leaders, and the Body submit to the Sr. Pastor and Beit Din. The Sr. Pastor submits to the Beit Din, Financial Board, Ministry Advisory Committee, and is a servant to the Body. The protection that we have is that we all submit one to another in the fear of YHVH. (Eph 5:21)
Matthew 18:15 is our instruction for handling conflict. When the scripture refers to taking the matter to the assembly, the 1st century church called this the Beit Din.
The Beit Din (meaning “House of Judgment”) is the ruling by the elders whose purpose is to restore relationships, assess punitive damages, and decide guilt or innocence.

Unscriptural and dangerous. These movements are cults.
But christians are taking the road of listening to these modern day Pharisees instead of listening to the words of Jesus.

The movement has nothing to do with legitimate Hebrew Christian groups such as Jews for Jesus or Messianic Judaism or pro-Israel groups in evangelical churches.

But I'm sure they make good fruitcake...

FL

For those who didn't know because I didn't this is what Beit din means;
A beth din [bet ˈdin] bet din, beit din or beis din (Hebrew: בית דין‎, "house of judgment"; plural battei din) is a rabbinical court of Judaism. In ancient times, it was the building block of the legal system in the Biblical Land of Israel.
They still exist today, there is apparently one in Sydney. But they are for the Jewish community. Now we have christian churches doing the same.
It blows my mind, it's so ridiculous, wrong and unbiblical.

melanie wrote:It blows my mind, it's so ridiculous, wrong and unbiblical.

Jews do not read the Bible, they read hymnals, prayer books and psalms. My guess is that this is a group that appeals to nominal Christians who want to become ersatz Jews. Fruitcake, anyone?

FL

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:The movement has nothing to do with legitimate Hebrew Christian groups such as Jews for Jesus or Messianic Judaism or pro-Israel groups in evangelical churches.

But I'm sure they make good fruitcake...

FL

You sure about that? When I was looking into this I watched 3 different videos with Messianic Jews who said they 'followed' Yeshua HaMashiach who is not to be confused with the false Jesus of christianity. Interesting claim.

And I thought American cults were bad!

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

melanie wrote:It blows my mind, it's so ridiculous, wrong and unbiblical.

Jews do not read the Bible, they read hymnals, prayer books and psalms. My guess is that this is a group that appeals to nominal Christians who want to become ersatz Jews. Fruitcake, anyone?

FL

It's not a small group FL. This FB page is being followed and liked in the millions. To be honest in all the christian based FB pages I have looked at, I have not seen one with a following like this. A single posts can generate 5 thousand comments. This is a large, growing,cultist, false christian movement.

Do you have a fruitcake recipe suitable for heathens?

melanie wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

melanie wrote:It blows my mind, it's so ridiculous, wrong and unbiblical.

Jews do not read the Bible, they read hymnals, prayer books and psalms. My guess is that this is a group that appeals to nominal Christians who want to become ersatz Jews. Fruitcake, anyone?

FL

It's not a small group FL. This FB page is being followed and liked in the millions. To be honest in all the christian based FB pages I have looked at, I have not seen one with a following like this. A single posts can generate 5 thousand comments. This is a large, growing,cultist, false christian movement.

YEAH, SO? Creflo Dollar has his Gulfstream thanks to the same type of Einsteins who go for the Hebrew Roots schlock. Rule-based reliigions are always popular.

FL

Well you may not care, but I do. These are well meaning christians who are being cleverly trapped into a cult not fringe groups attracting a few nut jobs. There are entire denominations who have previously not followed this absurd 'Hebrew roots propaganda' who are now identifying as such.

melanie wrote:

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:The movement has nothing to do with legitimate Hebrew Christian groups such as Jews for Jesus or Messianic Judaism or pro-Israel groups in evangelical churches.

But I'm sure they make good fruitcake...

FL

You sure about that? When I was looking into this I watched 3 different videos with Messianic Jews who said they 'followed' Yeshua HaMashiach who is not to be confused with the false Jesus of christianity. Interesting claim.

They are probably lying or - wonder of wonders! - self-deceived. The lady rabbi (Reform Judaism) in my family told me that Christians who were attending a local Messianic synagogue were going to her synagogue for Jewish studies class. She gives this class for gentiles who want to become Jews. I told her that no genuine born-again Christian would want to become a Jew. There would be no point. Especially for uncircumcised men!!! (ouch!)

Nominal Christians who attend messianic synagogues will call themselves Messianic Jews, but they remain gentiles.

Fruitcake is all over.

FL

Proinsias wrote:Do you have a fruitcake recipe suitable for heathens?

I do have a fruitcake recipe and it is already on G & S but not on my Christian Recipe thread.

melanie wrote:Well you may not care, but I do. These are well meaning christians who are being cleverly trapped into a cult not fringe groups attracting a few nut jobs. There are entire denominations who have previously not followed this absurd 'Hebrew roots propaganda' who are now identifying as such.

Don't worry about it. I seem to remember that in the last days, many who call themselves Christians will be drawn away by seducing spirits. Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Mormons, Hebrew Roots...the types of Fruitcake are endless. Worry about your children and warn those you care about.

FL

PS It just confirms that the Bible is correct...again!

It would be good to make a list of these "cults" and use it to warn others. As most of you know, they use bait-and-switch sales tactics and apply it to religion - ie. a version of the classic con-artist.

cult leader: "We promise you salvation"

potential member: "Ok, I'll join"

cult leader: "Now give us all your money, your soul and everything else"




FYI:

Most Dangerous Cults in the World

https://web.archive.org/web/20131227222 ... m/2012/07/

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Church of Almighty God or Eastern Lightning

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/churc ... 7031629018

This is an easy way to peg a false religion or cult,if it teaches you that you can save yourself by following the laws and rules of their religion,it is false,even if they use Jesus's name.

All false religions teach you can save yourself by following rules or laws and this religious concept makes it a false religion and nobody should want to serve a God that let's sinners get away with sinning,Jesus does not let anybody get away with sin and this is why he paid for our sins on the cross.
Christianity says you are a sinner and until you ask Jesus to save you and forgive you,your sin remains and there is nothing you can do to remove your sin,the only way to be saved is through Jesus Christ and what he did for us anybody who tries to add anything on to what Jesus did is sinning and is a liar and the truth is not in him\her.

Salvation is a gift from God that cannot be earned at all,you cannot live a sinless life like Jesus did without relying on Jesus and what he did.You are mocking Jesus and angering him by trying to live a good enough life to save yourself,it is an impossible thing to think you can or could be as righteous as Jesus Christ without relying on what he did for us and yet so many people have been deceived to rely on their works and deeds instead of Jesus Christ.God made salvation through Jesus too easy for religious people who make a mockery our of what Jesus did to pay for our sins and salvation in full.Keep your eyes and focus on Jesus Christ and rely on him and him only,not what you can do.

Peter sank when he took his eyes off of Jesus after walking on water to Jesus.

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:

melanie wrote:Well you may not care, but I do. These are well meaning christians who are being cleverly trapped into a cult not fringe groups attracting a few nut jobs. There are entire denominations who have previously not followed this absurd 'Hebrew roots propaganda' who are now identifying as such.

Don't worry about it. I seem to remember that in the last days, many who call themselves Christians will be drawn away by seducing spirits. Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Mormons, Hebrew Roots...the types of Fruitcake are endless. Worry about your children and warn those you care about.

FL

PS It just confirms that the Bible is correct...again!

Good advice FL.
But it still upsets me to see well meaning Christians being duped.