Mazzy wrote:Kurieuo wrote:Mazzy wrote:Kurieuo wrote:Mazzy wrote:
I haven't read all the posts yet, but the above wouldn't stump a JW. God created Jesus before the making of the world, so JW's have no problem saying Jesus was along side God in making the creation.
Of course, anyone can always just ignore what is plainly said and do this....
I suppose posting comics says it all about someone's opinion. No doubt you have all the answers. Now you need to go tell God how it is
I love to hear Christians bagging out other Christians! It's so very Christian, don't you think?
1) What JWs believe isn't Christian.
2) They don't believe in the same Christ I do.
3) Your response was no response, but a mere burying your head in the sand as to what is said in John 1.
There is a plethora of scriptures I can quote that demonstrates Jesus is not God. You have one that is very likely translated incorrectly.
You have one scripture to present, that was written in Greek. Greek does not contain definite articles. IOW: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was A god. I have many scriptures to back up my view. You have to reason away these 14 scriptures to add credibility to one scripture.
Look up any translation, look up the original text. My step-by-step process holds. You've perhaps not read my argument really at all if you think it's about a translation issue over some "article".
You maintain that the answer would be no issue at all -- JWs would simply respond that Christ was the first created. Well, that doesn't resolve the problem or deal with the argument.
I encourage you re-read John 1:3 which says (use your own translation if you like): All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." (NWT) So then, did Jesus create Himself? You know, considering Scripture says not even one thing came into existence that has come into existence except via Jesus.
Either Jesus is created or uncreated. If Jesus created everything that came into existence (all of creation), and not one thing that came into being did so except through Christ, then there is a contradiction with the belief that Christ Himself at some point came into existence. For Christ can't be created, unless He created Himself which is logically absurd. So then, this leads one to believe Christ is uncreated and even eternally begotten of God.
And like the couple extra passages I previously posted, there are many passages in Scripture that support Christ's divinity, indeed which show Christ is even Jehovah.