dellsOfBittersweet wrote:Dallas wrote:Okay, to start I do not classify myself as a baptist. I clarify myself as a believer of Jesus Christ. Now that i'm done with that lol. What are your guys's denominations? I'm baptist.
Okay now to my question a lot has happened to the Catholic church. But the major one I have seen is their salvation plans have completely took a turn for the worse. From what people say at the Church I go to. Why is it they switched their salvation plans from Being saved by Grace and not by works to completely the opposite? I know they have a different Bible than protestant churches, but it still has the correct way to get saved in it. So can somebody clarify this for me please?
Greetings from Popeland. As a lifelong Catholic let me take a crack at this.
The Catholic Church has held the same position in regards to salvation throughout her entire 2000 year history. Our position is that we are saved by grace. Faith can not save us, works can not save us, and in fact, anything else that originates from us and not God is radically insufficient for our salvation. God, by dying on the cross, sent an invitation to us to participate in his divine life, and as beings with free will, we can either accept or reject. To accept warrants a response, and that response takes the form of both faith and works. We are not trying to work our way into heaven, since we can't, but we are trying to respond to God's free gift of grace by following his commands.
1. If the response required Faith AND personal 'meritorious' works to be saved...then it isnt a FREE undeserved gift from God. Its thus called 'Greasy-grace' . When someone gives you a FREE birthday gift, you dont says to the Giver : "Thanks for the free gift...now tell me what are some things i can do to make me worthy of it' or 'What can i do to repay you for it' . The biblical way is not the R.C.C. way because the biblical way is Gods totally free gift for us all achieved by Christ alone plus nothing else added.
2. Check out # 1,2,8,and 15 in this following online book and youll see that Catholic Doctrine involves a plethera of ways to achieve graces for Ones eventual salvation http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp . So, obedient Catholics are NOT solely trusting in the finished sufficient work of Christ on Calvary (alone) which is Gods free gift . This may have been the RCC's stand for many many centuries, but, its NOT the Gospel of Christ needed for eternal salvation according to Paul in Galatians 1: 1-10 and Ephesians 2:8-10 and Romans 10:8-14 .
Who are you going to trust ? : The finished work of Christ on Calvary, or, what Church Fathers incorrectly taught and still do today in addition to Pope-ism ?