Audie: Do you find that this is an opinion from physics, or metaphysics?
Cold logic! If there is some attribute of what must have caused the universe that I've left out, please do tell - and those parameters exclude the question of God, as they are the hard, logical parameters of all we know to exist. There are not unlimited parameters for the source of the universe. You could argue for some unlimited possibilities as to the SOURCE of all things. But you cannot deny the parameters of that source, whatever and Whomever it might be.
Audie, do you believe that it's possible for ANY non-living, non-intelligent thing to:
- Create itself?
- Organize and design things - given enough time?
Remember, assuming there is no living intelligence (or intelligence at all), a non-intelligence can't learn, plan, design or organize itself or other things outside of itself. All it has is pure random chance - luck!
If a thing was never created or a derivative of something else, then it HAD to be eternal
Audie, do you not realize that whatever source of the universe, something had to be eternally existing, immensely powerful, supremely intelligent? Because if whatever produced the universe had no intelligence - had the brain of a rock - what you're saying is that a rock, given enough time and chances, could write and understand calculus, complex algebraic equations, could eventually apply them, create and manipulate other things of great sophistication, intelligence and APPLIED power. That's one dang smart rock!
Now, if the parameters I have suggested are "binary thinking" or exclude ANY known possibility that you've heard of or know about, please enlighten me. I'm not trying to prejudice this into some metaphysical box - precisely the opposite, as again, the parameters are what they are - whatever the potential source - it has certain parameters: Eternal, created, or a derivative of something prior. So, don't dismiss this as pure metaphysics or a red herring. Now, we're speaking only of what physically came into existence - so, if YOU say there is more that is inexplicable, then YOU are responding with a metaphysical answer - which is the term you like to dismiss "God" talk with: (Audie:) "This God you speak of, where is he, where's the proof - metaphysics is no answer." OK, so the hard parameters I speak of apply only to the physical realm and scientific things - so, if you are saying that the answer to the origins of things is BEYOND what we can know - guess where the realm of your answer lies: In METAPHYSICS!!!
So, show me a parameter I've ignored that isn't in the land of metaphysics.