RickD wrote:Audie wrote:RickD wrote:crochet wrote:
RickD. --- ancient Israel didn't exist -- No one existed, yet. Israel came from the 12 tribes of Jacob. God renamed Jacob / Israel. The tribe of Judah. Abraham was picked from the Hebrew world and several generations later Jacob came on the scene. Abraham was saved by Faith -- just like everyone else is. The Law was given to Israel / God's chosen people. But it was given to show the need For salvation. No one could ever be 'good enough' through trying to keep every law to earn their own way to heaven.
No matter what one believes about the different creation beliefs, the story about Adam and Eve is showing that Adam was the first human in the lineage of Christ. That lineage is the same one that became Israel. The OT beginning with Genesis, is the story of the nation of Israel, and its redeemer.SO -- the 6 days and rest 1 was given to Mankind as an example for living. After the cross - Christ's bodily resurrection from the dead was on the 1st day of the week. Sunday. That's why a lot of us worship on The Lord's Day -- Sunday. Rather than keeping the Sabbath Day holy.
It's 6 periods of time to 1 period of rest. It wasn't meant as a literal 24 hour day. Just look at the sabbath months, and sabbath years. They follow the same 6 to 1 pattern, yet aren't literally 24 hour days.The importance Is -- do we give God the Power To do the creating exactly as He's told us in Genesis. Is His Word our authority or not. His Word tells us Lots of very important information
Of course. I'm not arguing that He didn't create exactly how He said He did in scripture. Scripture literally says that He created in 6 yoms. The text doesn't literally say He created in six 24 hour days. Your interpretation is not equal to scripture. As much as you want to think it is, it's simply not. I take scripture very seriously. So please don't tell me that I'm not reading it literally, when it comes to the creation days.Yes, we follow Him -- and He has given us His Word / Bible.
Amen. And we all could do well if we aren't dogmatic on secondary or even tertiary issues such as creation days.
Please don't take my disagreement with your Young Earth view personally. I used to be a YEC. I used to swallow hook, line and sinker, the whole Ken Ham-YEC-way-or-no-way belief system.
I've just grown really tired when people equate their non essential creation beliefs with scripture itself.
How do you feel about people claiming that the god you and they worship is guilty of
such a horrific act as drowning all living things, save a boatload?
How did you recover from the Vice of YEC, btw?
I don't believe God drowned all living things. Animals that weren't in the area of the local flood at Noah's time, weren't drowned.
Killing is not wrong if it's justified killing. And if God kills someone, who am I to say it wasn't justified. Of course my answer assumes first, the existence of an omnipotent God. So, I don't expect someone who doesn't believe in God to come to the same conclusion.
And as far as recovering from YEC, as you asked? For me personally, I just started studying the subject more on my own. That's when I stopped believing in YEC.
But again, YEC, OEC, TE, it really is a meaningless conversation to have with someone who doesn't acknowledge the very existence of God.
Not really. The YEC stuff is hallucinatory, regardless of what a person's reason for believing it. Astrology is similarly without any basis. If you do not believe is is valid,
does that make it a meaningless conversation if any aspect of it is discussed?
ALSO, as "god" is viewed by such as myself as a character in a semi historical novel,
his actions can be discussed in that light, as you might any other character.
The "justified killing" has the sound of Stockholm syndrome.
But then, you agree that no such mass slaughter did or could have occurred.
So, to my q which you did not actually address, what of those who claim such
such psycho-monster attributes for your God?