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Thoughts on YEC

Postby Storyteller » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:12 am

I want to know more about YEC beliefs!

I`m still deciding on my creation stance and to be fair and impartial I need to look into YEC more.

What I think I know about YEc is this...

The world was created in literal 6 days.
The world is made to look older than it really is.
Adam and Eve were formed as fully grown adults (weird I have never thought about their age!)
Dinosaurs and man co-existed(?)

Jac (or anyone else really, especially if you are YEC)

In a nutshell, what exactly is essential to YEC beliefs? And, if possible, why you believe it (or not)?
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby RickD » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:39 am

Storyteller wrote:I want to know more about YEC beliefs!

I`m still deciding on my creation stance and to be fair and impartial I need to look into YEC more.

What I think I know about YEc is this...

1) The world was created in literal 6 days.
2) The world is made to look older than it really is.
3) Adam and Eve were formed as fully grown adults (weird I have never thought about their age!)
4) Dinosaurs and man co-existed(?)

Jac (or anyone else really, especially if you are YEC)

5) In a nutshell, what exactly is essential to YEC beliefs? And, if possible, why you believe it (or not)?


I'll take a stab at it Annette.
1) yes. Most YECs believe 6 twenty-four hour days.
2) not necessarily. There are YECs who believe the earth looks young. For example, there's Jason Lisle, an astrophysicist who has worked with Answers in Genesis(not sure if he's still affiliated with them). Mr. Lisle, as an astrophysicist, actually believes the universe looks thousands of years old.
3) yes. In YEC, adam was an adult when he was formed by God. And so was Eve. But, Day-Age/Progressive Creationists also believe Adam and Eve were created as adults.
4) yes. In YEC, man and dinosaurs had to coexist. Well, maybe not coexist, so much as live at the same time. They may not have lived in the same area.
5) adherence to what they believe is the proper interpretation to scripture, is the most essential part of being a YEC, IMO.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby Storyteller » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:48 am

Thanks Rick :)

That helps, kinda.

I think, right now, I guess I can go with 6 24 hour days (though I`d find it a stretch but couldn`t justify why)

Can`t see the universe as young, though depends what you`re comparing it to.

Happy with Adam and Eve being created as adults.

I guess dinosaurs and man may have been around at the same time in different areas. (Again a bit of a stretch and can`t explain why)

Proper interpretation of Scripture? Where to start? I have enough of a job trying to figure out what it means! How do I know what`s the proper interpretation?


I suppose what I want is someone who believes in YEC to explain why.

JAC???????
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby abelcainsbrother » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:54 am

Young earth creationists also believe the earth is 6-10,000 years old based on Usher's biblical chronology from Adam and Eve to Jesus,this is where they get a young earth from.I've heard that there are young earthers who stretch it out longer than 10,000 years however they are in the minority,the vast majority believe 6-10,000 years old.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby RickD » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:02 am

Storyteller wrote:Thanks Rick :)

That helps, kinda.

I think, right now, I guess I can go with 6 24 hour days (though I`d find it a stretch but couldn`t justify why)

Can`t see the universe as young, though depends what you`re comparing it to.

Happy with Adam and Eve being created as adults.

I guess dinosaurs and man may have been around at the same time in different areas. (Again a bit of a stretch and can`t explain why)

Proper interpretation of Scripture? Where to start? I have enough of a job trying to figure out what it means! How do I know what`s the proper interpretation?


I suppose what I want is someone who believes in YEC to explain why.

JAC???????

Annette,

I can tell you why Jac believes in YEC. It's because he believes scripture, when interpreted properly, teaches YEC. Jac has admitted that he's not a scientist. So, the scientific arguments don't really make much of an argument for Jac.

Annette,

I simply look at the issue this way...I believe God is the author of scripture. AND, God is the creator of the universe. Both scripture and nature, are evidence of God. If God created the universe, and He is the author of scripture, there CANNOT be any contradictions between the two. Any contradictions we see between nature and scripture, comes from our own faulty interpretation of scripture, or our own faulty interpretation of the evidence in nature.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby abelcainsbrother » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:06 am

I agree with Rick that nature that God created and the bible will go hand in hand when we have the right interpretation.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby Storyteller » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:12 am

RickD wrote:
Storyteller wrote:Thanks Rick :)

That helps, kinda.

I think, right now, I guess I can go with 6 24 hour days (though I`d find it a stretch but couldn`t justify why)

Can`t see the universe as young, though depends what you`re comparing it to.

Happy with Adam and Eve being created as adults.

I guess dinosaurs and man may have been around at the same time in different areas. (Again a bit of a stretch and can`t explain why)

Proper interpretation of Scripture? Where to start? I have enough of a job trying to figure out what it means! How do I know what`s the proper interpretation?


I suppose what I want is someone who believes in YEC to explain why.

JAC???????

Annette,

I can tell you why Jac believes in YEC. It's because he believes scripture, when interpreted properly, teaches YEC. Jac has admitted that he's not a scientist. So, the scientific arguments don't really make much of an argument for Jac.

Annette,

I simply look at the issue this way...I believe God is the author of scripture. AND, God is the creator of the universe. Both scripture and nature, are evidence of God. If God created the universe, and He is the author of scripture, there CANNOT be any contradictions between the two. Any contradictions we see between nature and scripture, comes from our own faulty interpretation of scripture, or our own faulty interpretation of the evidence in nature.


I really hope Jac responds to this thread then :)

Absolutely agree with your second point.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby Nessa » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:16 am

im interested too..and yet to make a decision...really interesting reading peoples views

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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby theophilus » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:03 am

Storyteller wrote:The world was created in literal 6 days.

It was created in 6 literal days but they may not have been 24 hour days because the events connected with the Flood might have affected the speed at which the earth rotates. https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2012/ ... -the-days/

Most YEC believers believe that the whole universe was created during this six day period. I am in a minority among them in that I don't believe this. Here is the reason for my belief: https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2014/ ... -universe/

The world is made to look older than it really is.

Adam and Eve were formed as fully grown adults (weird I have never thought about their age!)

The world was made fully functional but was not intended to look any specific age. The same thing is true of Adam and Eve. If someone traveled back in time and saw Adam and Eve just after their creation but had know knowledge of their background he would assume they were older than they really are because he would assume they had been conceived, born, and grown to adulthood just as other people have.

To accurately measure the age of the world it is necessary to know how it came into existence. The scientific "evidence" that shows the earth is billions of years old is all based on the belief that it developed entirely by natural processes rather than being created by God.

Today the world looks old because it is old. https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2014/ ... looks-old/

Dinosaurs and man co-existed(?)

“Behold, Behemoth,
which I made as I made you;
he eats grass like an ox.
Behold, his strength in his loins,
and his power in the muscles of his belly.
He makes his tail stiff like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are knit together.
His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like bars of iron.
“He is the first of the works of God;
let him who made him bring near his sword!
For the mountains yield food for him
where all the wild beasts play.
Under the lotus plants he lies,
in the shelter of the reeds and in the marsh.
For his shade the lotus trees cover him;
the willows of the brook surround him.
Behold, if the river is turbulent he is not frightened;
he is confident though Jordan rushes against his mouth.
Can one take him by his eyes,
or pierce his nose with a snare?
(Job 40:15-24 ESV)

What animal can you think of that fits this description? I have heard the claim made that it is a hippopotamus but this explanation is contradicted by this statement: "He makes his tail stiff like a cedar." The tail of a hippo is small and has no resemblance to a cedar tree. On the other hand we know there were dinosaurs with very big tails.

And what about the dragon legends that are found all over the world? Don't the descriptions of dragons sound like dinosaurs?

In a nutshell, what exactly is essential to YEC beliefs? And, if possible, why you believe it (or not)?

First it is the only belief that is consistent with taking the Bible literally. If you adopt another belief then you have to find a way to interpret the creation account to make it fit your belief.

There is scientific evidence that doesn't fit the belief that the world is old. You can find some of it here:

https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-f ... ung-earth/

People who believe in an old earth either ignore this evidence or try to explain it away.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby abelcainsbrother » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:26 am

theophilus wrote:
Storyteller wrote:The world was created in literal 6 days.

It was created in 6 literal days but they may not have been 24 hour days because the events connected with the Flood might have affected the speed at which the earth rotates. https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2012/ ... -the-days/

Most YEC believers believe that the whole universe was created during this six day period. I am in a minority among them in that I don't believe this. Here is the reason for my belief: https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2014/ ... -universe/

The world is made to look older than it really is.

Adam and Eve were formed as fully grown adults (weird I have never thought about their age!)

The world was made fully functional but was not intended to look any specific age. The same thing is true of Adam and Eve. If someone traveled back in time and saw Adam and Eve just after their creation but had know knowledge of their background he would assume they were older than they really are because he would assume they had been conceived, born, and grown to adulthood just as other people have.

To accurately measure the age of the world it is necessary to know how it came into existence. The scientific "evidence" that shows the earth is billions of years old is all based on the belief that it developed entirely by natural processes rather than being created by God.

Today the world looks old because it is old. https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2014/ ... looks-old/

Dinosaurs and man co-existed(?)

“Behold, Behemoth,
which I made as I made you;
he eats grass like an ox.
Behold, his strength in his loins,
and his power in the muscles of his belly.
He makes his tail stiff like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are knit together.
His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like bars of iron.
“He is the first of the works of God;
let him who made him bring near his sword!
For the mountains yield food for him
where all the wild beasts play.
Under the lotus plants he lies,
in the shelter of the reeds and in the marsh.
For his shade the lotus trees cover him;
the willows of the brook surround him.
Behold, if the river is turbulent he is not frightened;
he is confident though Jordan rushes against his mouth.
Can one take him by his eyes,
or pierce his nose with a snare?
(Job 40:15-24 ESV)

What animal can you think of that fits this description? I have heard the claim made that it is a hippopotamus but this explanation is contradicted by this statement: "He makes his tail stiff like a cedar." The tail of a hippo is small and has no resemblance to a cedar tree. On the other hand we know there were dinosaurs with very big tails.

And what about the dragon legends that are found all over the world? Don't the descriptions of dragons sound like dinosaurs?

In a nutshell, what exactly is essential to YEC beliefs? And, if possible, why you believe it (or not)?

First it is the only belief that is consistent with taking the Bible literally. If you adopt another belief then you have to find a way to interpret the creation account to make it fit your belief.

There is scientific evidence that doesn't fit the belief that the world is old. You can find some of it here:

https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-f ... ung-earth/

People who believe in an old earth either ignore this evidence or try to explain it away.


An alligator = Leviathan and elephant = behomoth.A cedar tree is not big,if it was a dinosaur it would say red wood.Behomoth describes an elephant the Hebrew word tail means swinging back and forth and does not necessarily mean tail,it can be a tail or trunk of an elephant especially when you think of a cedar.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby RickD » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:52 am

Storyteller,

As you can see, it's not a topic that can be understood without doing some studying. And it's made more difficult when people such as Theophilus make assertions that simply aren't accurate. Which confuses the whole subject. For example, Theophilus wrote:
The world was made fully functional but was not intended to look any specific age. The same thing is true of Adam and Eve. If someone traveled back in time and saw Adam and Eve just after their creation but had know knowledge of their background he would assume they were older than they really are because he would assume they had been conceived, born, and grown to adulthood just as other people have.

There are other signs of a person's age besides just being fully grown. Wrinkles, sun damage, etc. So, If someone who knew what he was looking for, went back in time and examined Adam the same day Adam was created, he would not think Adam got to that point by aging like others who were born.


To accurately measure the age of the world it is necessary to know how it came into existence. The scientific "evidence" that shows the earth is billions of years old is all based on the belief that it developed entirely by natural processes rather than being created by God.

That's just not true. The evidence that shows the earth is billions of years old, just shows that it's billions of years old. That evidence is not based on naturalism.

First it (YEC)is the only belief that is consistent with taking the Bible literally. If you adopt another belief then you have to find a way to interpret the creation account to make it fit your belief.

That again is simply not true. Day-Age/Progressive creationism, at least as promoted by Reasons.org, and this website Evidence for God from Science, takes the bible literally.

There is scientific evidence that doesn't fit the belief that the world is old. You can find some of it here:

https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-f ... ung-earth/

People who believe in an old earth either ignore this evidence or try to explain it away.

People who believe in an old earth DO NOT ignore this evidence. Nor do we try to explain it away. We interpret the evidence differently.

Frankly Theophilus, you have been warned multiple time regarding misrepresenting other people's beliefs. And my patience with this is growing thin. Please stop.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby Storyteller » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:26 am

Theophilus's post is interesting to me though Rick. I like to see opposing ideas, even if they arent widespread or approved of. Interesting idea that the verse could refer to dinosaurs if you read it that way, or an elephant as ACB suggests.
I will take a lok at the links anyway, and at least consider his points.

There is a lot of interesting stuff on this thread and I shall spend a few days reviewing it all.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby abelcainsbrother » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:30 am

YE's accuse OEC's of doing what they do,they cram all of the evidence of death and extinction into Noah's flood even though there is no way they can make it fit,but then they try to say dinosaurs walked with man and yet dinosaurs were wiped out millions of years ago and make dinosaurs fit into what God describes to Job in the book of Job.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby RickD » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:37 am

Storyteller wrote:Theophilus's post is interesting to me though Rick. I like to see opposing ideas, even if they arent widespread or approved of. Interesting idea that the verse could refer to dinosaurs if you read it that way, or an elephant as ACB suggests.
I will take a lok at the links anyway, and at least consider his points.

There is a lot of interesting stuff on this thread and I shall spend a few days reviewing it all.

That's fine Annette. I want you to consider his points. But what I don't want, is for you to be mislead about what creation stances that are opposed to Theophilus' version of YEC, actually believe.

The idea that YEC is the only creation belief that interprets the bible literally, particularly bothers me. Because at best, it's a misunderstanding of how OECs interpret scripture. And at worst, it's a deceptive lie, to unfairly represent what others with opposing views, believe. And in the case of Theophilus, since I've explained this to him before, it's disturbing.

He continues to misrepresent what others believe. And that's willfully dishonest. And there's no place for that on these boards.
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Re: Thoughts on YEC

Postby abelcainsbrother » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:39 am

Storyteller wrote:Theophilus's post is interesting to me though Rick. I like to see opposing ideas, even if they arent widespread or approved of. Interesting idea that the verse could refer to dinosaurs if you read it that way, or an elephant as ACB suggests.
I will take a lok at the links anyway, and at least consider his points.

There is a lot of interesting stuff on this thread and I shall spend a few days reviewing it all.


ST this stuff is interesting too so I don't see how you could be bored.I myself like to learn more about God's word and the evidence in the earth that confirms it true.
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