Young earth, old universe

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Audie » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:45 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Audie wrote:How could so many have mermaids, little people, dragons, invincible warriors,god-kings.....I kinda think the answer is inside the human mind. What do you think?


Mermaids: sunbaked sailors with too much rum ration in their bloodstream and no women in sight...even manatees start to look good.

Little people (Scandinavian trolls): campfire stories told by inebriated men to frighten children and women.

Dragons: a catch-all term to describe any lizard.

God-kings: we are still doing this one today: Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, ad nauseum...

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You do know what I mean? I cant even tell.

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:00 pm

Audie wrote:You do know what I mean? I cant even tell.


Uh...I think you were making a rapprochement - a link - between the products of man's imagination (mermaids, dragons, trolls and the god-like) with the God of the Bible.

Either that or you've had too much sake...

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby theophilus » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:10 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Dragons: a catch-all term to describe any lizard.

The word "dinosaur" was invented in 1842. Before that time dinosaurs were known as dragons.
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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby PaulSacramento » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:03 am

Audie wrote:
theophilus wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Are you suggesting they ALL took place at the same time?
Here is a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

They Chinese great flood is a very interesting example.

How could so many people all over the world have myths about a worldwide flood unless such a flood actually happened?

How could so many have mermaids, little people, dragons, invincible warriors,god-kings.....

I kinda think the answer is inside the human mind. What do you think?

If we look deep enough into any "legend" or "myth" you will always find a truth.
It may not be the one you are looking for or even one you decide to accept ( for whatever reason) BUT behind all legends and myths there is ALWAYS something there.

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Audie » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:08 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Audie wrote:
theophilus wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Are you suggesting they ALL took place at the same time?
Here is a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

They Chinese great flood is a very interesting example.

How could so many people all over the world have myths about a worldwide flood unless such a flood actually happened?

How could so many have mermaids, little people, dragons, invincible warriors,god-kings.....

I kinda think the answer is inside the human mind. What do you think?

If we look deep enough into any "legend" or "myth" you will always find a truth.
It may not be the one you are looking for or even one you decide to accept ( for whatever reason) BUT behind all legends and myths there is ALWAYS something there.



"Truth" is a religion or philosophy thing. I suppose there is some level of 'truth" in stories of little people. Or various flood legends, or tales of flying saucer abductions.

Whatever truth is in the bible story of a flood seems up to the individual to find.

The facts of the flood story and the spiritual truths of it are two quite distinct things.

The facts, of course, are not what everyone is looking for. They might not like what they find. :D

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:54 am

theophilus wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Dragons: a catch-all term to describe any lizard.

The word "dinosaur" was invented in 1842. Before that time dinosaurs were known as dragons.


OK...so? The lizards I've seen are as ugly as dinosaurs, just smaller.

Audie wrote:"Truth" is a religion or philosophy thing. I suppose there is some level of 'truth" in stories of little people. Or various flood legends, or tales of flying saucer abductions.


Some level of truth in stories of trolls and flying saucer abductions? Are you OK, Audie? y@-)

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby RickD » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:40 pm

FL wrote:
OK...so? The lizards I've seen are as ugly as dinosaurs, just smaller.


Those aren't ugly lizards...they're French Canadians. :mrgreen:
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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Audie » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:15 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
theophilus wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Dragons: a catch-all term to describe any lizard.

The word "dinosaur" was invented in 1842. Before that time dinosaurs were known as dragons.


OK...so? The lizards I've seen are as ugly as dinosaurs, just smaller.

Audie wrote:"Truth" is a religion or philosophy thing. I suppose there is some level of 'truth" in stories of little people. Or various flood legends, or tales of flying saucer abductions.


Some level of truth in stories of trolls and flying saucer abductions? Are you OK, Audie? y@-)

FL y:-?

AreYOU ok?
Is that the level of understanding of the topic, or are you just popping in to make a quip about nothing?

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:03 pm

Audie wrote:AreYOU ok?Is that the level of understanding of the topic, or are you just popping in to make a quip about nothing?


If you honestly think there is any truth whatsoever to stories about trolls and flying saucer abductions, you need to see a doctor soon.

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:07 pm

RickD wrote:
FL wrote:
OK...so? The lizards I've seen are as ugly as dinosaurs, just smaller.


Those aren't ugly lizards...they're French Canadians. :mrgreen:


I do agree. I avoid French Canadians whenever possible. This is why I stay away from Florida. I found Cuba to be filled with F-Canadians as well, especially Varadero but Havana was free of them. They tend to swarm to beaches and shopping centers...

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Audie » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:47 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Audie wrote:AreYOU ok?Is that the level of understanding of the topic, or are you just popping in to make a quip about nothing?


If you honestly think there is any truth whatsoever to stories about trolls and flying saucer abductions, you need to see a doctor soon.

FL :shakehead:


There are ideas such as little people, giants, dragons, great floods, god kings who will return, people who csn fly, evil spirits, etc that reflect something about the human mind. I suppose one who felt generous could call them
"truths" about the human mind.

If there is "truth" in the flood myths, that is the kind of truth it is.

Sorry if a place to use snarky quips is all you want from me. I hope not.

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:59 pm

Audie wrote:There are ideas such as little people, giants, dragons, great floods, god kings who will return, people who csn fly, evil spirits, etc that reflect something about the human mind. I suppose one who felt generous could call them"truths" about the human mind.


No...you said that trolls and flying saucer abductions had ''some level of 'truth''':

Audie wrote: I suppose there is some level of 'truth" in stories of little people... or tales of flying saucer abductions.


I'm saying that only a fool would believe that. As for floods, these continually occur, so including them with a belief in trolls and UFO abductions is ''intellectually dishonest'' as you like to say. Giants, god-kings, dragons, flying men and other Hollywood foolishness also belong to Idiotville. Evil spirits do exist, and prisons are full of criminals to prove it.

Try to stay level headed and not go into the Fruitcake Zone.

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Audie » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:39 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Audie wrote:There are ideas such as little people, giants, dragons, great floods, god kings who will return, people who csn fly, evil spirits, etc that reflect something about the human mind. I suppose one who felt generous could call them"truths" about the human mind.


No...you said that trolls and flying saucer abductions had ''some level of 'truth''':

Audie wrote: I suppose there is some level of 'truth" in stories of little people... or tales of flying saucer abductions.


I'm saying that only a fool would believe that. As for floods, these continually occur, so including them with a belief in trolls and UFO abductions is ''intellectually dishonest'' as you like to say. Giants, god-kings, dragons, flying men and other Hollywood foolishness also belong to Idiotville. Evil spirits do exist, and prisons are full of criminals to prove it.

Try to stay level headed and not go into the Fruitcake Zone.

FL :D


If you are saying there are no truths in myths in or out of the bible thats fine.
I dont agree, but "truths" is left undefined.

There is no literal truth in the flood story.

There is no truth of any kind in your claim that i mentioned trolls.
I meant what I said about being snarky.

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:53 am

Audie wrote:If you are saying there are no truths in myths in or out of the bible thats fine.


You are confused and you jump to conclusions with disconcerting ease. Let me spell it out for you so that you understand clearly:

I am saying that there is no truth whatsoever in stories about Scandinavian trolls - what you call ''little people'' - and UFO abductions.

Audie wrote:There is no literal truth in the flood story.


Irrelevent to this discussion. One thing at a time:

Are you able to say that ''little people'' and UFO abductions have no basis in reality?

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Re: Young earth, old universe

Postby melanie » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:04 am

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Audie wrote:If you are saying there are no truths in myths in or out of the bible thats fine.


You are confused and you jump to conclusions with disconcerting ease. Let me spell it out for you so that you understand clearly:

I am saying that there is no truth whatsoever in stories about Scandinavian trolls - what you call ''little people'' - and UFO abductions.

Audie wrote:There is no literal truth in the flood story.


Irrelevent to this discussion. One thing at a time:

Are you able to say that ''little people'' and UFO abductions have no basis in reality?



FL :D


I don't intend to throw this thread off topic, but I guess some truth is subject to an individual's reality. I was exactly like you FL, I didn't believe in the UFO thing at all. I actually laughed and mocked people who claimed otherwise untill my reality got a swift kick up the behind. I'm so very glad that I was not alone when I had my very real, very up close, very unexplainable encounter, thank God, literally, that there was no abduction involved. I know how it sounds, but that doesn't change my reality. And I don't expect people to believe me or take it on face value, because if I hadn't seen it for myself I wouldn't believe a second hand account either.


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