Creation Confusion

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Creation Confusion

Postby ritterjo19 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:49 pm

Hi everyone!

My name is Jo, I am a Christian. I am really trying hard to figure out what I believe about creation. I was toying with both YEC and TE are different points and wound up somewhere in the middle as a progressive creationist. I guess I would say, I definitely believe in an old earth and a historical Adam and Eve. I am still considering TE, although I really feel uncomfortable of the non-literal Adam and Eve (I know this is not the position that all TEs take). What are your thoughts on creationism?

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Re: Creation Confusion

Postby RickD » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:08 pm

Hi Jo,

There are many members here, and we have differing views on creation. I'm not sure if you've seen it yet, but a good place to do research, is on the home site.

The website's owner, Rich Deem, has some informative articles there.

And FYI, there are some TEs who do believe in a literal Adam and Eve.

If you have any specific questions, ask away.

And welcome to the board. :D

Edit: and Jo, to avoid confusion, you may want to check off "Christian" in your profile.
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Re: Creation Confusion

Postby ritterjo19 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 pm

Okay, My specific questions:

How do we relate neanderthals with the rest of humanity?
What about Eden, where was it?
I guess I am having a really hard time with what-if questions and doubts. All the conflicting views on creation are causing me some serious anxiety, I have to say!

I did check out the main website and I really think it is great. I took a look at the progressive creationism article by Dale Tooley and I would say I pretty much hold that view.

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Re: Creation Confusion

Postby RickD » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:37 pm

ritterjo19 wrote:Okay, My specific questions:

How do we relate neanderthals with the rest of humanity?
What about Eden, where was it?
I guess I am having a really hard time with what-if questions and doubts. All the conflicting views on creation are causing me some serious anxiety, I have to say!

I did check out the main website and I really think it is great. I took a look at the progressive creationism article by Dale Tooley and I would say I pretty much hold that view.

As far as progressive creationism, Reasons.org is probably the leading website. Here's the results of searching for "Neanderthal" on their site:
http://www.reasons.org/Search?q=Neanderthal+
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9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Audie wrote:
"Christianity is not a joke, but it has some very poor representatives."

St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

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Re: Creation Confusion

Postby abelcainsbrother » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:19 pm

ritterjo19 wrote:Okay, My specific questions:

How do we relate neanderthals with the rest of humanity?
What about Eden, where was it?
I guess I am having a really hard time with what-if questions and doubts. All the conflicting views on creation are causing me some serious anxiety, I have to say!

I did check out the main website and I really think it is great. I took a look at the progressive creationism article by Dale Tooley and I would say I pretty much hold that view.




It depends on whatever creation theory you accept.To a Gap Theorist Neanderthals were apart of a pre-Adamic race of beings that lived in the former world as were hominids also.They were not man though because God created Adam and Eve and so they were new creations after he restored the earth making it habitable again after Genesis 1:3 in Genesis chapter 1.What happened in the former world has no bearing on what happens in this world we now live in.We must all accept Jesus as our Savior and Lord because we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.

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Re: Creation Confusion

Postby B. W. » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:08 am

My 2 cents worth...

Most important thing to recall when investigating creation accounts hypotheses are they are all educated guesses. I suggest to avoid militant dogmatic creationist of any venue of opinion on these grounds...


1 John 2:9,10, "The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. 10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him." NASB

The Greek word translated hates in the text, μισέω miséō, denotes a persecuting spirit implying disdain, contempt, ill words, unbecoming hostile tone in words and actions....

The point is a persecuting spirit that brow beats and intimidates, therefore, next note these verses:

James 3:13-18, Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.

16, For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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In such discussion involving creation theories remember these things as a tree is known by its fruit...
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Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)


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