Did God Create Himself?

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Did God Create Himself?

Postby MasterOfCoin » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:57 am

How did the world began?
If you ask a scientist this question, it is likely that the person would likely betin to tell all the bla bla of the big bang.
However, we must all realize that the big bang must have been caused by someone? I mean that it's a no brainer to assume that. However, if we are to go further into this, you will realize that there is a big logical hook there.

Did God Create Himself?

Whenever any scientist asks you this kind of question, there is tendency to answer illogically or keep silent?

So, apart from the points given on this article http://www.wikiplora.com/2017/06/did-god-create-himself.html (which I believe is so lopsided), what other strong arguments do you think will befit the question?

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Re: Did God Create Himself?

Postby thatkidakayoungguy » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:33 pm

How can someone or something cause them-self to exist out of nowhere? Some other agent must've caused it, which gets us to the problem of causes ad infinitum. God must be the uncaused cause, the eternal agent that started all other things.

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Re: Did God Create Himself?

Postby Philip » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:02 pm

MasterofCoin: Did God Create Himself?


Hello, MasterofCoin, welcome to the forum! How's about introducing and telling everyone a bit about yourself, here: http://discussions.godandscience.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5&p=230241#p230241

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Re: Did God Create Himself?

Postby PaulSacramento » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:49 am

Only that which needs something else to bring it forth into existence is created. That which has always exited doesn't have to have been created.

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Re: Did God Create Himself?

Postby Kurieuo » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:11 am

Or another way of looking at it, things require a cause as they possess potentiality to be moved into a different state by something else (eg ball stationary to flying through the air after being struck) or potentiality to have their nature changed by something other (eg trees catching on fire due to lightning). God, by definition, has no potentiality to be other than who/what God is. Nothing can act upon God to change his nature, and no thing moves God. If God possessed potential to be otherly, then ontologically such isn't God and this "God" must have a cause.
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