Darwin was he ???

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Darwin was he ???

Postby B. W. » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:45 pm

Here is one for mind candy...

Charles Darwin was he a Christian or not?
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Re: Darwin was he ???

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby B. W. » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:34 am

Philip wrote:At the END of his life? y:-? Maybe: https://carm.org/did-darwin-become-christian-his-deathbed


Another question: was he supporting some sort of OEC with God involved by creating with evolution in mind or not?
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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby Philip » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:45 am

B.W., I'm sure he believed the fossil record showed an ancient creation. But by the time of his last days, he knew his time was about up - doubt he cared beyond hopefully realizing God was responsible for all that exists. Which is what really matters, per how the age is viewed.

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby B. W. » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:50 am

Philip wrote:B.W., I'm sure he believed the fossil record showed an ancient creation. But by the time of his last days, he knew his time was about up - doubt he cared beyond hopefully realizing God was responsible for all that exists. Which is what really matters, per how the age is viewed.


Yes I know that, but for discussion what do others think about this?
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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby PaulSacramento » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:03 am

Darwin's EMOTIONAL problems with God are well documented.

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby Blessed » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:10 am

As far as I know Darwin was not a Christian.

This is going to sound stupid but I've never understood why evolution must be totally incompatible with Creationism.

Clearly no missing links have been found yet there is adaptation (virus's, antibiotics, insects etc.)

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby RickD » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:12 am

blessed wrote:
This is going to sound stupid but I've never understood why evolution must be totally incompatible with Creationism.

How "evolution" is defined, will go a long way towards understanding if it is compatible with creationism.
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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby Philip » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:06 am

Scripturally, there is a clear disconnect between the animal kingdom God created, and man. Particularly Adam and Eve's creations, the text says God "formed the man of dust from the ground," and then, subsequent to the creation of his body, God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life." After this, at some point, God caused Adam to go into a deep sleep (the world's first anesthesia operation?) and then, "the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman." If this is a literal description, then it means that Adam and Eve did not evolve from animals, and thus is incompatible with the idea that they could have evolved from animals. In fact, there is another important difference in the descriptions of the animal kingdom being formed and that of the Adam and Eve.

As God created the plant life, He says these were created, "each according to its kind." He says the same of birds, sea creatures, and the beasts (that were created "according to their kinds). There is a clear pause and comment after all of the animal kingdom had been completed: "And God saw that it was good." So NEXT sequence (noted by "Then") of the creation includes the creation of man - but instead of being created "AFTER their KIND" - - there was yet no man. And when they are created, not the difference in the commentary as to what they were modeled upon: "Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness (notice the very first reference to the Trinity)." Scripture refutes the assertion that man evolved from the animal kingdom. God did not take a previously existing animal (or a highly evolved hominid) and then retool him in His image.

So, to SCRIPTURALLY believe in the evolution of MAN, one has to dismiss the account of his creation as either mere fiction or as some bizarre allegory. But then, the entire reason for the need for a Savior, after the fall of Adam and Eve into sin, makes no sense - not if they weren't real people in a real story. And why the crazy story, if not true? Why show, even as allegory, a clear disconnect from where man came from? It makes no sense. So, believe the story or not - but Scripture does not support the idea that man evolved from animals. And if you dismiss the story, man's need for salvation, the idea we are fallen, sinful creatures - none of that makes any sense.



And yet, what makes a person a Christian is not believing Adam and Eve's story literally, but one MUST have faith, confessment, and commitment to Christ - that's the only criteria for salvation.

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby PaulSacramento » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:19 am

The issue with creationism VS evolution is that creationism states that God create humans AS IS, period.
Evolution says that humans came from primates and evolved to modern humans 100,000's of years ago

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby RickD » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:42 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:The issue with creationism VS evolution is that creationism states that God create humans AS IS, period.
Evolution says that humans came from primates and evolved to modern humans 100,000's of years ago

If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby PaulSacramento » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:29 am

LOL !

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:09 am

B. W. wrote:
Philip wrote:At the END of his life? y:-? Maybe: https://carm.org/did-darwin-become-christian-his-deathbed


Another question: was he supporting some sort of OEC with God involved by creating with evolution in mind or not?
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Yes. It sure seems that way.

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Re: Darwin was he ???

Postby thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:11 am

Adam and Eve were real people, there are in fact some theistic evolutionists who accept that. It makes more sense that way.


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