Limited Free Will

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Limited Free Will

Postby ultimate777 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:46 am

I have an idea that might be neither Biblical or Scientific. I just hope I can say what I mean:)

Maybe what we would each do under certain circumstances is foreordained,
but whether these circumstances ever occur is not.

An extreme example, a variation on something that happened on an episode of "Father Brown": Maybe it is foreordained if someone makes you mad a certain way, you will shove them without thinking if you can. It may never happen to you, but once it does. Someone makes you mad standing beside you at the top of the stairs, you shove them, they fall down the stairs and die. This leads to all sorts of unusual circumstances.

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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby PaulSacramento » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:03 am

Define free will.

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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby ultimate777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:24 am

PaulSacramento wrote:Define free will.



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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby ultimate777 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:28 am

ultimate777 wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Define free will.





We decide what we do

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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby PaulSacramento » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:44 am

ultimate777 wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Define free will.





We decide what we do


Well, if you decide what you do then how is it limited?

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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby BGoodForGoodSake » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:29 am

I am going to ask that you try a quick exercise.
Take a few moments to do this.
Close your eyes and relax.
At some point you will have a thought.
When you do ask yourself when did you decide to have this thought?
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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby RickD » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:37 am

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:I am going to ask that you try a quick exercise.
Take a few moments to do this.
Close your eyes and relax.
At some point you will have a thought.
When you do ask yourself when did you decide to have this thought?

Is that supposed to be an argument against free will?
1 Corinthians 1:9
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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby Byblos » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:29 am

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:I am going to ask that you try a quick exercise.
Take a few moments to do this.
Close your eyes and relax.
At some point you will have a thought.
When you do ask yourself when did you decide to have this thought?


It's a question of the intellect informing the will (or vice versa).

Read this:

http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/philosophers/aquinas
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Re: Limited Free Will

Postby ultimate777 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:52 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Define free will.





We decide what we do


Well, if you decide what you do then how is it limited?



That's unlimited free will.

Limited free will is we will do x under y circumstance but y may or may not ever happen.


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