Possible Major Christian discovery.

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Post by Swimmy » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:59 pm

British archaeologists are seeking to authenticate what could be a landmark discovery in the documentation of early Christianity: a trove of 70 lead codices that appear to date from the 1st century CE, which may include key clues to the last days of Jesus' life. As UK Daily Mail reporter Fiona Macrae writes, some researchers are suggesting this could be the most significant find in Christian archeology since the Dead Sea scrolls in 1947.

The codices turned up five years ago in a remote cave in eastern Jordan—a region where early Christian believers may have fled after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE. The codices are made up of wirebound individual pages, each roughly the size of a credit card. They contain a number of images and textual allusions to the Messiah, as well as some possible references to the crucifixion and resurrection. Some of the codices were sealed, prompting yet more breathless speculation that they could include the sealed book, shown only to the Messiah, mentioned in the Book of Revelation. One of the few sentences translated thus far from the texts, according to the BBC, reads, "I shall walk uprightly"--a phrase that also appears in Revelation. "While it could be simply a sentiment common in Judaism," BBC writer Robert Pigott notes, "it could here be designed to refer to the resurrection."

But the field of biblical archaeology is also prey to plenty of hoaxes and enterprising fraudsters, so investigators are proceeding with due empirical caution. Initial metallurgical research indicates that the codices are about 2,000 years old--based on the manner of corrosion they have undergone, which, as Macrae writes, "experts believe would be impossible to achieve artificially."

Beyond the initial dating tests, however, little is confirmed about the codices or what they contain. And the saga of their discovery has already touched off a battle over ownership rights between Israel and Jordan. As the BBC's Pigott recounts, the cache surfaced when a Jordanian Bedouin saw a menorah—the Jewish religious candleabra—exposed in the wake of a flash flood. But the codices somehow passed into the ownership of an Israeli Bedouin named Hassam Saeda, who claims that they have been in his family's possession for the past 100 years. The Jordanian government has pledged to "exert all efforts at every level" to get the potentially priceless relics returned, Pigott reports.

Meanwhile, biblical scholars who have examined the codices point to significant textual evidence suggesting their early Christian origin. Philip Davies, emeritus professor of Old Testament Studies at Sheffield University, told Pigott he was "dumbstruck" at the sight of plates representing a picture map of ancient Jerusalem. "There is a cross in the foreground, and behind it is what has to be the tomb [of Jesus], a small building with an opening, and behind that the walls of the city," Davies explained. "There are walls depicted on other pages of these books, too, and they almost certainly refer to Jerusalem."

David Elkington, an ancient religion scholar who heads the British research team investigating the find, has likewise pronounced this nothing less than "the major discovery of Christian history." Elkington told the Daily Mail that "it is a breathtaking thought that we have held these objects that might have been held by the early saints of the Church."

Still, other students of early Christian history are urging caution, citing precedents such as the debunked discovery of an ossuary said to contain Jesus' bones. New Testament scholar Larry Hurtado observes that since these codices are miniature, they were likely intended for private, rather than liturgical, use. This would likely place their date of origin closer to the 3rd century CE. But only further research and full translation of the codices can fully confirm the nature of the find. The larger lesson here is likely that of Eccliastes 3:1—be patient, since "to everything there is a season."

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Post by cubeus19 » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:53 pm

Nice! I was wondering if this is proven to be real and legitimate would this demolish skeptics arguments that the life of Christ and his resurrection were not part of legend?

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Post by Swimmy » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:04 pm

cubeus19 wrote:Nice! I was wondering if this is proven to be real and legitimate would this demolish skeptics arguments that the life of Christ and his resurrection were not part of legend?
No. They'll come up with another excuse. Like it could be another Jesus or one of the copycat saviors.

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Post by Gman » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:20 am

Here is the picture of them... Interesting find. Thanks for posting..

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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:26 am

I guess that titles are everything, LOL !
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Post by Gman » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:08 pm

I'm sure the Mormons will jump all over this one.. Tablets and such. :lol:
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Post by Byblos » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:45 pm

Gman wrote:I'm sure the Mormons will jump all over this one.. Tablets and such. :lol:
Lol, yes. I'm sure they'll find some link to Joseph Smith's Jordanian origin.
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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:13 pm

Speaking of "cults", IF this relic is dated to the 1st century and with its pictures of crosses ( in the shape of a T), I wonder how the JW's that say that Christ was impaled (nailed) on a stake (vertical post) and not a cross and that the cross was a 4th century pagan image adopted by the apostate church, will react to this.

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Post by Sudsy » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:21 am

PaulSacramento wrote:Speaking of "cults", IF this relic is dated to the 1st century and with its pictures of crosses ( in the shape of a T), I wonder how the JW's that say that Christ was impaled (nailed) on a stake (vertical post) and not a cross and that the cross was a 4th century pagan image adopted by the apostate church, will react to this.
What about most crosses used by those considered not 'cults' being small 't' crosses ? Perhaps most of Christianity is picturing their crosses incorrectly.

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Post by neo-x » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:05 am

grt find silvertusk..thnx for sharing
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Post by Silvertusk » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:10 am

I am very annoyed though - I had high hopes for this one because it would have been good corraboration for the earliest traditions of Christianity and would have complimented the gospels really nicely. Some people will have to answer for this when it comes to Judgement.

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Post by cubeus19 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:47 am

Anymore you can't believe any kind of news story that's wrote up. It also reminds me of that archeology team from China who claim to have found Noah's ark and even took "video" inside it. But even though we may no longer want to believe these "new" things that come up which may strengthen our faith, this will certainly give us even more rational ground to equally reject anything new news article that's written from the atheist point of view in effort to destroy our faith. So needless to say it cuts both ways.

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Post by MarcusOfLycia » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:23 am

Look at it this way though: It goes that way for every worldview.
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Post by DannyM » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:52 am

Do we need more evidence? Will it sway those guided by satan?
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