cubeus19 wrote:I guess I should have changed the content and the name to my original post, since it's somewhat drawing some ire from some people. The main point and the purpose for this thread was for me to get a feel for and a idea on how Christian theism by argument, can be salvaged by the challenge of "if humanity ends in a random, non Biblically predicted way as described in Revelation by most conventional and mainstream scholars, does that mean that the God of the Bible does not exist and or that Christian theism is not true"?
What is "non Biblically predicted way as described in Revelation by most conventional and mainstream scholars"? I am sure there are varying opinions, as with everything else, depending on who you ask.
cubeus19 wrote:The climate change part only had to do with what many non biblical eschatologists and dooms day ers currently like to use, but the same can apply to, humanity dying out from some kind of strange disease, or from a nuclear war, or from a comet impacting the earth. So, if any of these possible options were to actually happen, would that, in turn, disprove Christian theism and or the God of the Bible? The kind of answer I want to see and hope that many Biblical scholars and Christian philosophers could offer would be, "NO".
Well, if it still counts... I'd agree.
cubeus19 wrote:That even if humanity were to end in one of these ways that doesn't fit well into end times prophecies, it would not disprove Christianity. And I guess they can give reasons like since Revelation is so confusing and ambiguous it would leave a lot of room for almost any scenario like humanity dying out due to climate change, disease, nuclear war, a comet or any other possible scenario.
You have stated here a contradiction: "doesn't fit well into end times prophecies" and "Revelation is so confusing and ambiguous [it leaves way for almost any scenario...]" If one of those other humanity fates (climate change, disease, nuclear war, etc) happens, and Revolution leaves way for any scenario, then it seems such scenarios would fit
into end time prophecies. It is just up to us to determine which scenario best fits. However, to a large degree I think it is quite open ended since Revelation often talks quite generally and employs symbols.
cubeus19 wrote:The main thing I'm wondering about is, is that a good defense or does anyone else here know of anything else that can be added to this rebuttal? Thanks.
I don't see what defense is really needed. I certainly would want to be defending some popular fiction like Tim LeHaye. I see great value can be gained from Revelation, and it provides a glimpse of God and kingdom to come. Despite everything in it which can be quite confusing, I do like that there is a book which gets us to look to the future with Christ.