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Genesis 9:5

Postby thatkidakayoungguy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:02 pm

How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.

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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby RickD » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:42 am

thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.

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Re: Genesis 9:5

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thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.


Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.
Only when the blood runs and the shackles restrain, will the sheep then awake. When all is lost.

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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby RickD » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:20 am

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thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.


Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.

At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby Stu » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:37 am

RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.


Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.

At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?
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Re: Genesis 9:5

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Stu wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.


Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.

At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Good question, the bible don't say specifically but some do think that. We know there are animals there, though.
I think Rick might be saying that animals like jellyfish or a sponge don't have a soul, they are almost plantlike for instance and lack a central brain.

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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby RickD » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:38 pm

Stu wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.


Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.

At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Mammals for example. And certain birds. If you've ever had a dog for example, you know dogs have a mind, will and emotions.

As to whether animals go to heaven, I really don't know. But the new heavens and new earth? Why couldn't there be animals there.
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby Byblos » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:00 pm

RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
thatkidakayoungguy wrote:How does an animal give account to God for killing a person? So far two answers seem possible-God will kill that animal, or there will be a sort of day or reckoning in the animal's afterlife, if they even have one. Do animals go to hell? I don't think they do, they seem to be in the same group like babies and little kids.


Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.

At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Mammals for example. And certain birds. If you've ever had a dog for example, you know dogs have a mind, will and emotions.

As to whether animals go to heaven, I really don't know. But the new heavens and new earth? Why couldn't there be animals there.


The soul is that which animates the body. Any thing that grows has a soul which is returned to its maker after the body dies. There are, however, different types of souls. The first form is non-sentient irrational soul for plant life, the second form is the sentient irrational soul for animals, and lastly the sentient rational soul reserved for humans which distinguishes us from all other life forms for it is the image of God in which we are created.
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby RickD » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:37 pm

Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
Animals don't have a soul. When they die they just die, there is no afterlife for them.

At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Mammals for example. And certain birds. If you've ever had a dog for example, you know dogs have a mind, will and emotions.

As to whether animals go to heaven, I really don't know. But the new heavens and new earth? Why couldn't there be animals there.


The soul is that which animates the body. Any thing that grows has a soul which is returned to its maker after the body dies. There are, however, different types of souls. The first form is non-sentient irrational soul for plant life, the second form is the sentient irrational soul for animals, and lastly the sentient rational soul reserved for humans which distinguishes us from all other life forms for it is the image of God in which we are created.

Plants have souls? Plants don't have a body to animate.
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby abelcainsbrother » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:03 pm

RickD wrote:
Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
RickD wrote:At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Mammals for example. And certain birds. If you've ever had a dog for example, you know dogs have a mind, will and emotions.

As to whether animals go to heaven, I really don't know. But the new heavens and new earth? Why couldn't there be animals there.


The soul is that which animates the body. Any thing that grows has a soul which is returned to its maker after the body dies. There are, however, different types of souls. The first form is non-sentient irrational soul for plant life, the second form is the sentient irrational soul for animals, and lastly the sentient rational soul reserved for humans which distinguishes us from all other life forms for it is the image of God in which we are created.

Plants have souls? Plants don't have a body to animate.



I think I read somewhere about plants responding better when talked to,certian kinds of music played,etc. Supposedly plants do respond to it and perhaps that could be a plant's soul.
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby Byblos » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:40 pm

RickD wrote:
Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
RickD wrote:At risk of sounding pedantic, a soul is the mind, will, and emotions of certain creatures.

And certain animals do have souls. Anyone with a dog, knows that.

I think you may be conflating soul, with spirit. Humans are the only creatures with a spirit.


Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Mammals for example. And certain birds. If you've ever had a dog for example, you know dogs have a mind, will and emotions.

As to whether animals go to heaven, I really don't know. But the new heavens and new earth? Why couldn't there be animals there.


The soul is that which animates the body. Any thing that grows has a soul which is returned to its maker after the body dies. There are, however, different types of souls. The first form is non-sentient irrational soul for plant life, the second form is the sentient irrational soul for animals, and lastly the sentient rational soul reserved for humans which distinguishes us from all other life forms for it is the image of God in which we are created.

Plants have souls? Plants don't have a body to animate.


Why would you say that? Plants certainly have bodies, reproduce, grow, and die.
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby thatkidakayoungguy » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:49 pm

Byblos wrote:[
The soul is that which animates the body. Any thing that grows has a soul which is returned to its maker after the body dies. There are, however, different types of souls.

Where would germs fit into this? Ik they used to be called plants or animals but now they are not. Do you include them as animals/plants here and so have a soul?

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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby Kurieuo » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:21 pm

Here's a related thread Nessa started not too long ago: Will there be animals or creatures in heaven?
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby RickD » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:34 am

Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:
Byblos wrote:
RickD wrote:
Stu wrote:
Only certain animals? How do you know this?

Do animals go to heaven?

Mammals for example. And certain birds. If you've ever had a dog for example, you know dogs have a mind, will and emotions.

As to whether animals go to heaven, I really don't know. But the new heavens and new earth? Why couldn't there be animals there.


The soul is that which animates the body. Any thing that grows has a soul which is returned to its maker after the body dies. There are, however, different types of souls. The first form is non-sentient irrational soul for plant life, the second form is the sentient irrational soul for animals, and lastly the sentient rational soul reserved for humans which distinguishes us from all other life forms for it is the image of God in which we are created.

Plants have souls? Plants don't have a body to animate.


Why would you say that? Plants certainly have bodies, reproduce, grow, and die.

They have a body. But not a body animated by a mind, will or emotions.

Unless you're suggesting that plants can think...
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Re: Genesis 9:5

Postby Kurieuo » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:35 am

Jesus must have appeared a bit wacko rebuking the winds and sea causing the storm to stop, I mean can you picture anyone else doing that and not being considered a freak? I think some will be surprised when they see trees and rivers clapping their hands, mountains and hills singing before the Lord. Indeed "every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them" worshiping God. ;)
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