Kenny wrote: PaulSacramento wrote: Kenny wrote:
Possibly, but what do YOU think my idea of God is?
The God of Christianity.
And who and what is that?
I am honestly asking Ken, who and what do you think MY idea of God is?
Creator of the Universe; all that exists, the person who will judge who goes to Heaven, & Hell after death, the God of the bible. If this doesn't answer your question, perhaps you can describe the type of answer you are looking for
PaulSacramento wrote:That isn't really what we are talking about on THIS thread though.
You commented that I myself was making a leap by suggesting that everything came into being except my idea of God and that is a fair statement to make.
Except that, I didn't suggest that.
Perhaps I should have said “that’s what you believe
”…. you do believe that right?
PaulSacramento wrote:I suggest that everything that comes into being (not everything) has a cause, everything that is moved, has a mover and that, since we can't have infinite regression, we MUST logically and reasonably arrive at something that is UNCAUSED and UNMOVING or at LEAST, the FIRST Cause and FIRST mover.
Something, or some things. If one thing can be uncaused, and unmoved, multiple things could be uncaused and unmoved as well.
PaulSacramento wrote:And that something must be God because of who God is defined and because of how He MUST be if He IS God.
You understand this part, yes?
I understand this part, I just don’t agree with it. I don’t agree this “unmoved mover” MUST be conscious, and intelligent. How come this unmoved mover can't be energy and matter?