Are My Actions Determined?

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:00 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:I have never heard of one case of homosexual animals.
Animals that engage bisexual, what I like to call "available sex", yes there are many records of this BUT no record of any animals engaging SOLELY and EXCLUSIVELY in homosexual sex.
Not that I have head of anyways.

Animals cannot engage in homosexual sex, exclusively, or otherwise. That is my point. By definition, it's only humans that can engage in homosexual sex.
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby PaulSacramento » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:18 pm

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PaulSacramento wrote:I have never heard of one case of homosexual animals.
Animals that engage bisexual, what I like to call "available sex", yes there are many records of this BUT no record of any animals engaging SOLELY and EXCLUSIVELY in homosexual sex.
Not that I have head of anyways.

Animals cannot engage in homosexual sex, exclusively, or otherwise. That is my point. By definition, it's only humans that can engage in homosexual sex.

I agree of course, that is why when people say that homosexuality is observe din nature, with primates for example, I call them on it because it is NOT homosexual behavior and is, at best, bisexual.

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Philip » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:03 pm

Do animals always have "consensual sex? y:-? PETA's not gonna like the anti-PC answers on that one! :pound:

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Justhuman » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:27 pm

It seems that homosexuality does occur amongst domesticated sheep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals.
I can't verify that though!

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:32 pm

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PaulSacramento wrote:I have never heard of one case of homosexual animals.
Animals that engage bisexual, what I like to call "available sex", yes there are many records of this BUT no record of any animals engaging SOLELY and EXCLUSIVELY in homosexual sex.
Not that I have head of anyways.

Animals cannot engage in homosexual sex, exclusively, or otherwise. That is my point. By definition, it's only humans that can engage in homosexual sex.

I agree of course, that is why when people say that homosexuality is observe din nature, with primates for example, I call them on it because it is NOT homosexual behavior and is, at best, bisexual.

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No, it's not bisexual!

Animals cannot be bisexual, BY DEFINITION!!!!!!
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kurieuo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:32 pm

There is really no such thing as homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or the like. These are terms invented by humans and ascribe certain exhibited behaviour. Humans like to box things in, box people in with labels, especially since the dark shroud of behaviourism came to dominate much of psychology in 20th century.

We become what we do, rather than who we are because to ascribe a "who" is considered to being harking back to that old and silly idea of a "soul" existing which would render psychology non-objective, non-experimental and unscientific.

Rather, if we drop this pretense that a separate consciousness we call an "I" is illusury (doesn't really exist), drop the unintuitive falsehood that all our decisions boil down to this or that chemical reaction, then matters become very simple. That is, humans are sexual creatures who feel sexual urges generated by our natural physiology. Such sexuality can be expressed in many ways, both wrong and right.

So then, we don't need to create an infinite amount of labels to say this person is that-sexual and that person is this-sexual, we just understand humans are all sexual creatures and we can express that in many diverse ways. Done.
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby PaulSacramento » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:48 am

Justhuman wrote:It seems that homosexuality does occur amongst domesticated sheep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals.
I can't verify that though!



The issue is determination.
When two male chimps ( since activities like this have been observed and reported) sexual stimulate each other, that is NOT homosexual activity UNLESS they exclusively do that and do NOT EVER do that with females.
IF they do "get it on" with females also it means they are, what we would define as, bisexual - they have sexual realtions with BOTH genders.

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:09 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Justhuman wrote:It seems that homosexuality does occur amongst domesticated sheep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals.
I can't verify that though!



The issue is determination.
When two male chimps ( since activities like this have been observed and reported) sexual stimulate each other, that is NOT homosexual activity UNLESS they exclusively do that and do NOT EVER do that with females.
IF they do "get it on" with females also it means they are, what we would define as, bisexual - they have sexual realtions with BOTH genders.

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Stu » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:52 am

Kurieuo wrote:There is really no such thing as homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or the like. These are terms invented by humans and ascribe certain exhibited behaviour. Humans like to box things in, box people in with labels, especially since the dark shroud of behaviourism came to dominate much of psychology in 20th century.


Um... God says that man sleeping with another man is wrong. I guess He made it up ;)
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby PaulSacramento » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:14 am

RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Justhuman wrote:It seems that homosexuality does occur amongst domesticated sheep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals.
I can't verify that though!



The issue is determination.
When two male chimps ( since activities like this have been observed and reported) sexual stimulate each other, that is NOT homosexual activity UNLESS they exclusively do that and do NOT EVER do that with females.
IF they do "get it on" with females also it means they are, what we would define as, bisexual - they have sexual realtions with BOTH genders.

:swhat:



Not sure what you are having trouble with on this Rick...

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby PaulSacramento » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:19 am

Stu wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:There is really no such thing as homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or the like. These are terms invented by humans and ascribe certain exhibited behaviour. Humans like to box things in, box people in with labels, especially since the dark shroud of behaviourism came to dominate much of psychology in 20th century.


Um... God says that man sleeping with another man is wrong. I guess He made it up ;)


Well, according to that view, since God only stated that men sleeping with men is wrong does that mean that women sleeping with women is ok?

Homosexual activity is wrong because it is a sin and it is a sin because it goes against what is good and ideal for the indvidial human and the species.

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:22 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Justhuman wrote:It seems that homosexuality does occur amongst domesticated sheep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals.
I can't verify that though!



The issue is determination.
When two male chimps ( since activities like this have been observed and reported) sexual stimulate each other, that is NOT homosexual activity UNLESS they exclusively do that and do NOT EVER do that with females.
IF they do "get it on" with females also it means they are, what we would define as, bisexual - they have sexual realtions with BOTH genders.

:swhat:



Not sure what you are having trouble with on this Rick...

Homosexual, and bisexual, are terms exclusive to humanity BY DEFINITION. You keep trying to get around that.
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:23 am

Stu wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:There is really no such thing as homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or the like. These are terms invented by humans and ascribe certain exhibited behaviour. Humans like to box things in, box people in with labels, especially since the dark shroud of behaviourism came to dominate much of psychology in 20th century.


Um... God says that man sleeping with another man is wrong. I guess He made it up ;)

Of course God "made it up". He makes up all the rules, Stu!

Duh! :mrgreen:
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby PaulSacramento » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:31 am

RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Justhuman wrote:It seems that homosexuality does occur amongst domesticated sheep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals.
I can't verify that though!



The issue is determination.
When two male chimps ( since activities like this have been observed and reported) sexual stimulate each other, that is NOT homosexual activity UNLESS they exclusively do that and do NOT EVER do that with females.
IF they do "get it on" with females also it means they are, what we would define as, bisexual - they have sexual realtions with BOTH genders.

:swhat:



Not sure what you are having trouble with on this Rick...

Homosexual, and bisexual, are terms exclusive to humanity BY DEFINITION. You keep trying to get around that.


So , what do you call same-sex sexual activity between primates, for example?

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:13 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:

The issue is determination.
When two male chimps ( since activities like this have been observed and reported) sexual stimulate each other, that is NOT homosexual activity UNLESS they exclusively do that and do NOT EVER do that with females.
IF they do "get it on" with females also it means they are, what we would define as, bisexual - they have sexual realtions with BOTH genders.

:swhat:



Not sure what you are having trouble with on this Rick...

Homosexual, and bisexual, are terms exclusive to humanity BY DEFINITION. You keep trying to get around that.


So , what do you call same-sex sexual activity between primates, for example?

Aha! Trying to trap me with a trick question, I see!
As an evilutionist, you believe humans are primates.

You can't get me that easily!!!
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