Are My Actions Determined?

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Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kurieuo » Sun May 15, 2016 7:34 pm

Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kenny » Sun May 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?

I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kurieuo » Sun May 15, 2016 8:39 pm

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?

I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

But, how is that possible?
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kenny » Sun May 15, 2016 8:52 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?

I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

But, how is that possible?

Free will

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kurieuo » Sun May 15, 2016 8:58 pm

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?

I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

But, how is that possible?

Free will

Of course! y#-o
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kenny » Mon May 16, 2016 5:55 am

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?

I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

But, how is that possible?

Free will

Of course! y#-o

Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

K

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Byblos » Mon May 16, 2016 6:10 am

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

But, how is that possible?

Free will

Of course! y#-o

Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Hortator » Mon May 16, 2016 6:42 am

Let's see what's on tv.

Aww what a repeat? Oh well. :popcorn:

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby edwardmurphy » Mon May 16, 2016 4:33 pm

Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?


I think we have free will within a deterministic framework. We all have the freedom to make our own choices, but lots of factors - age, gender, education, life experience, religious beliefs, up-bringing, government intervention, wealth or lack thereof, knowledge, and a hundred other things - act as limiting factors and/or push us in one direction or another. So yeah, we have free will to do what's possible within whatever boxes where we find ourselves.
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kurieuo » Mon May 16, 2016 5:15 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?


I think we have free will within a deterministic framework. We all have the freedom to make our own choices, but lots of factors - age, gender, education, life experience, religious beliefs, up-bringing, government intervention, wealth or lack thereof, knowledge, and a hundred other things - act as limiting factors and/or push us in one direction or another. So yeah, we have free will to do what's possible within whatever boxes where we find ourselves.

It is intuitive that we have free will, but I wonder how it is "we" could possibly emerge in a real sense above a mechanical process to then control it? E.g., if fire is the physical process, and smoke the conscious self that emerges, how is it the smoke can usurp control of the fire to act?

Such is understood as a serious epiphenomenal problem within a materialistic or physicalist framework.
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kurieuo » Mon May 16, 2016 5:19 pm

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

But, how is that possible?

Free will

Of course! y#-o

Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.
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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Kenny » Mon May 16, 2016 8:16 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:But, how is that possible?

Free will

Of course! y#-o

Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.

With economics, just as Capitalist aren't pure capitalist, Communist aren't pure Communist, when it comes to what we believe; skeptics aren't pure skeptics; if they were they would never get anything done

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby RickD » Tue May 17, 2016 2:32 am

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:Free will

Of course! y#-o

Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.

With economics, just as Capitalist aren't pure capitalist, Communist aren't pure Communist, when it comes to what we believe; skeptics aren't pure skeptics; if they were they would never get anything done


Ken

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Audie » Tue May 17, 2016 3:36 am

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:But, how is that possible?

Free will

Of course! y#-o

Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.



Self -proclaimed believers dont realize that believing also involves believing one's belief

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Re: Are My Actions Determined?

Postby Storyteller » Tue May 17, 2016 4:50 am

But atheists lack belief, do they not?
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