abelcainsbrother wrote:I already gave you evidence and you chock it up to me just declaring something is true and then expecting you to just believe it.
I guess we have a different concept of what constitutes evidence huh?
abelcainsbrother wrote:You don't go by evidence though and when I give it to you what you really want is proof God did it and not evidence.
Actually I was looking for a link to a scientific website or something other than your word to back up your claim.
abelcainsbrother wrote:If you don't know that things are caused in our world and things that are caused are caused by something else then you are just denying reality.
C’mon bro! You went a little further than claiming “things are caused in our world, and things that are caused are caused by something else
”. If that was the extent of your claims, I would not be arguing with you.
abelcainsbrother wrote:This is why I have challenged you before to make a list of things in our world that do not apply to these facts and you never did.
As I said before, Just because I don’t know of “X” happening doesn’t mean it has never happened.
abelcainsbrother wrote:Because this is what I did in order to see the fact that an uncaused first cause is a must when it comes to our world and universe. This is not just "God of the gaps" like you imply this is accepting the facts so that I can determine who is telling the truth and who isn't.
As I mentioned to you in a previous debate, mankind only knows of 4% of the Universe; that means 96% we have no clue about. To claim God who exist outside the Universe (including that 96% we have no clue about) is responsible for the Universe, to me it makes just as much sense to assume somewhere in the 96% that we have no clue about could be responsible. Now don’t get me wrong; I’m not claiming this is true, I’m just not going to accept that your claim is true. I’m perfectly willing to admit I don’t know
abelcainsbrother wrote:There is a difference between proof and evidence and you don't go by evidence as an atheist because there is no evidence atheism is the correct world view
Atheism a world view? According to my understanding, a world view is a comprehensive philosophy of life encompassing a wide range of beliefs on mortality methodology, and so forth.
Atheism is a philosophical position pertaining to ONE particular belief; the belief in God. While it may or may not be a part of ones world view, or perhaps even have an effect on ones world view in a variety of ways, Atheism is definitely insufficient in and of itself to be considered a world view.
A point of comparison; a person might be a communist concerning the issue of economics, but communism isn’t their worldview, just their position on a specific topic. It is an aspect of their world view.
abelcainsbrother wrote:and you chose to accept it anyway. I cannot think like you.I go by evidence to determine who is telling the truth and who is'nt.But if you make a list of things in our world where these facts I presented to you do not apply then you could point it out,but you cannot.
IOW if I can’t come up with an alternative explanation, I should accept yours? No thank you.
abelcainsbrother wrote:And since you don't go by evidence you cannot tell who is telling you the truth and who is'nt and don't really care.
No, I go by evidence; just not by what YOU call evidence. My standard of evidence is MUCH different than yours.