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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Fliegender » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:53 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:
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1) If it's not authoritarian to call for Trump's election opponents, political rivals, and critics in the media to be rounded up and imprisoned for opposing and/or criticizing the President then how would you describe it?

2) When in the history of the United States has it ever been a crime to criticize the President?

3) When has it ever been illegal to oppose the ruling party?

4) When in the entire history of the United States of America has it ever been acceptable for the President to call for the arrest of those who criticize him and oppose him politically?

I hope you are not expecting reasoned answers to your questions...? :sleep:
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:23 pm

No, but if I ask them then they've been asked. Plus it's fun to make Stu look bad by asking reasonable questions that he, as an unreasonable person with unreasonable views, cannot reasonably answer.
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Kurieuo » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:15 pm

When it his coup level tensions, there's something wrong. "Russia gate" and the like, isn't merely criticising or simply creating opposition... what is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Dems try to mount and attempt an all out coup.
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Fliegender » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:32 pm

I’ve been watching too many movies wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:15 pm
When it his coup level tensions, there's something wrong. "Russia gate" and the like, isn't merely criticising or simply creating opposition... what is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Dems try to mount and attempt an all out coup.
An all out coup on a sitting president? ...yeah, that would be a likely scenario in Liberia. The Liberian flag has one big star and 13 red & white stripes. The U.S. flag has 50 tiny stars and 13 red & white stripes. You just got those two countries mixed up but it’s okay. It’s Saturday and you’ve had one too many Fosters’...
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by RickD » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 am

Kurieuo wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:15 pm
When it his coup level tensions, there's something wrong. "Russia gate" and the like, isn't merely criticising or simply creating opposition... what is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Dems try to mount and attempt an all out coup.
I think they realize that they can't beat Trump in an election, so they will use any means they can, to get him out of office.

It's really quite pathetic, actually.
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Kurieuo » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:08 am

Movies? No, just Joker really, apart from what my kids watch. There's not too much good to watch. Rather, try Matt Taibbi, who is a contributing editor for Rolling Stone and wrote an interesting article recently: We're in a Permanent Coup
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Post by Blessed » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:19 am

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Post by Blessed » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:20 am

Edward,


The majority doesn't matter. Article 2 section 1 of the US Constitution established the electoral college precisely to prevent geographical clouts of voters from controlling national election outcomes. Most of those votes are in CA, NY, and other heavily leftist states, cast by people who should, in many cases, not be citizens or not be eligible to vote under rule of law.

If by Russian "interference" you mean telling the truth about Hillary Clinton and releasing the Wiki documents - we are enshrine indebted to Russia for this noble act. Both you and the fake news media label Russia telling the truth as "interference". Russia releasing TRUTH (or anyone for that matter) is not "interfering" and is nothing compared to the "interference" the US is guilty of in Russia. Russia simply enabled the facts to stated and exposed evil.

Hillary Clinton and George Soro's planned and paid for protests and "human rights organizations" in Russia with the intent of enabling a Russian Arab Spring situation against Vladimir Putin's government to install a puppet leader. They need that virus in the door - to destroy the last bastion of Western European Christian civilization in a powerful nation that upholds God's laws more than the United States does in 2019.

Putin has been the ELECTED leader of Russia since 1999. America is the interferer in2019. Putin - just like Czar Nicholas and his family - has refused to let it be raped by oligarchs. Putin refuses direct control by the international banking cartel. Russia is astonishingly self sufficiant in mining and manufacturing and has 1 Free Trade agreement with Serbia only. The list of Putin's accomplishments against the West and it's modern left goes on and on.

The dark forces in this world want debt imperialism against Russia and probably war. Clinton's election was an important step in this direction. All Russia did was tell the truth. Why Edward? Self Defense. National interest. They had every right and should be commended. Because lies should be exposed. Truth prevails. Truth is the nature of God and and how things should be with mankind. Russia exposed that wicked crooked power hungry cockroach Hillary Clinton.

All these "scandals" you mention are actually witch hunts manufactured by the controlled fake news media - which is firmly in the hands of modern leftist elites and their deep state allies. The "investigations" started before the election Edward; when it became glaringly obvious Trump could win. These "investigations" are severe abuses of authority, blatant abuses of discretion, and political malice. Name ONE President in US History that has experienced this constant oppression and harassment since before they were elected.

WE THE PEOPLE elected Trump. Understand, Edward?

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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Blessed » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:44 am

edwardmurphy wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:50 pm
Philip wrote:
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Look, there is a LOT we don't yet know - so, I'd wait a bit before becoming so sure of anything right now.
Nobody is claiming to be sure that Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine as part of a quid pro quo. There's evidence that he did, though - the whistleblower's report, the letter from the IGIC, the partial transcript released by the White House, the other letter from the IGIC, and now the texts turned over by Kurt Volkner - so I think it's reasonable to suspect it.
Trade with all. Alliances with none.

The US should not be giving military aid - advanced weapons - to Ukraine in the FIRST PLACE. That is an act of war against Russia. This should not even be up for discussion. No military aid should go to ANYONE.

You may not know this Edward but Western Ukraine held democratic elections. Each polling station and the vote counts were filmed by Russia to prove to everyone it was a fair election. ALMOST 100% of the population voted to secede from Ukraine and become part of Russia.

This has nothing to do with the US. No military aid ever. Nothing to do with the US. Everything should be abandoned there.

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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:55 pm

RickD wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 am
Kurieuo wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:15 pm
When it his coup level tensions, there's something wrong. "Russia gate" and the like, isn't merely criticising or simply creating opposition... what is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Dems try to mount and attempt an all out coup.
I think they realize that they can't beat Trump in an election, so they will use any means they can, to get him out of office.

It's really quite pathetic, actually.
Last I looked impeachment had majority support and Trump's defense has shifted from nothing happened to no quid pro quo to fine, there was a quid pro quo - get over it.

Regarding "Russiagate" I'm not sure why you guys are sticking to that ridiculous lie. The purpose of the investigation was to determine the extent to which Russia interfered with the 2016 election and whether or not Russia and Trump were involved in a criminal conspiracy. Mueller determined that Russia did interfere and that Trump obstructed justice on 10 different occasions while attempting to block said investigation. The narrative that it was to investigate "collusion" came from Donald "NO COLLUSION" Trump. The investigation didn't look at collusion. That said, collusion is well established. We watched it happen in real time.

At this point someone is sure to call me a silly, biased fanatic and compare me to Abe and his Q obsession. That's baffling to me because everything that I just said has been established to be true, and a lot of it happened in plain sight. I can only assume that some of you guys need to cling to the lie because to do otherwise would be to confess that the rule of law no longer matters to you.
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Fliegender » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:46 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:55 pm

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At this point someone is sure to call me a silly, biased fanatic and compare me to Abe and his Q obsession. That's baffling to me because everything that I just said has been established to be true, and a lot of it happened in plain sight. I can only assume that some of you guys need to cling to the lie because to do otherwise would be to confess that the rule of law no longer matters to you.
No, no no, you silly, biased fanatic! We need to cling to our lie because of our PRIDE. To admit that Trump is unethical would mean that God let Trump become president to expose Trump’s nepotism, immorality and contempt for American Law. That would be unacceptable so you’re obviously wrong. And prob’ly a socialist too.

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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:48 pm

Blessed wrote:
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WE THE PEOPLE elected Trump. Understand, Edward?
No, Blessed, we didn't. The majority of us rejected him. You know that. It's why you started out by reminding me that the Electoral College exists and then trying to handwave away a major defeat in the popular election by making the groundless claim that Clinton's voters were illegitimate.

Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America. That's one of the stupidest sentences in the history of our nation, but there it is. He won the EC, and the rules say that's good enough. I'm not going to spend years claiming that he's not legitimately the President, even though that's precisely what you guys have been doing to Obama for 11 years and counting. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to accept your [nonsense] claims of a mandate. Trump won, but he was elected by a minority. WE THE PEOPLE picked Hillary Clinton by a significant margin. The rules say that you can get fewer votes and still win, so Trump won. But he still got fewer votes and any claim otherwise is the kind of lie that insecure people use to make themselves feel better.

Your Putin fetish confuses me. Sure, he was elected. He also controls the media and has no qualms about harassing, imprisoning, or even bumping off pesky reporters and opposition politicians. I'm not sure where you get the notion that Putin has a problem with oligarchs. Behind the facade of freeish and fairish elections Russia is a kleptocratic oligarchy. Behind the trappings of office Putin is a gangster.

The rest of your post is deluded rambling straight from the fever swamps, so I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Blessed » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:23 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:48 pm
Blessed wrote:
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WE THE PEOPLE elected Trump. Understand, Edward?
No, Blessed, we didn't. The majority of us rejected him. You know that. It's why you started out by reminding me that the Electoral College exists and then trying to handwave away a major defeat in the popular election by making the groundless claim that Clinton's voters were illegitimate.

Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America. That's one of the stupidest sentences in the history of our nation, but there it is. He won the EC, and the rules say that's good enough. I'm not going to spend years claiming that he's not legitimately the President, even though that's precisely what you guys have been doing to Obama for 11 years and counting. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to accept your [nonsense] claims of a mandate. Trump won, but he was elected by a minority. WE THE PEOPLE picked Hillary Clinton by a significant margin. The rules say that you can get fewer votes and still win, so Trump won. But he still got fewer votes and any claim otherwise is the kind of lie that insecure people use to make themselves feel better.

Your Putin fetish confuses me. Sure, he was elected. He also controls the media and has no qualms about harassing, imprisoning, or even bumping off pesky reporters and opposition politicians. I'm not sure where you get the notion that Putin has a problem with oligarchs. Behind the facade of freeish and fairish elections Russia is a kleptocratic oligarchy. Behind the trappings of office Putin is a gangster.

The rest of your post is deluded rambling straight from the fever swamps, so I'll leave it at that.

Edward,

GO read Article 2 section 1 of the US Constitution. It established a FAIR system to elect the President and prevent elitist clouts ruling from afar. The fact Clinton won to 48% to Trump's 46% means NOTHING and is Constitutionally NULL AND VOID. What do you want to do now Edward? Change the US Constitution?

Obama WAS also legitimately elected because Obama won the Electoral College. Any future candidate who wins the Electoral college is legit. It doesn't matter what their political affilliation is. They could be a communist. Doesn't matter. It's legit. Of course at that point there will have to be civil war and Balkanization but that's besides the point. Whoever wins the EC wins the Presidency.

Putin does not control the media. He interferes to prevent foreign interests from controlling the media which is exactly what we have in the United States and that is another reason why they target Putin. Russia is NOT the USSR anymore. And MOST of the news reported in Russia is 10000x more trustworthy than what you see form US sources. I cannot tell you how many times I've watched Russian news and discovered they are reporting the fact as is while CNN ABC NBC Guardian Washington Post etc etc etc etc REFUSE TO EVEN COVER THE TRUTH OR SPEW FLAT OUT LIES. An example I mentioned was with the filming of all the polling stations in the Ukraine that almost 100% of the voters in Western Ukraine voted to succeed from Ukraine. This fact was NOT REPORTED on the news in the US. I watched in the US nor the video showing the polling stations. Instead the entire thing was how Russia invaded Ukraine and must be dealt with firmly.

Also Russian routinely reports negative FACTS about LGBT, the skyrocketing historical rise in STD rates on a chart in the United States, the effects children, family and society etc. Which are rarely reported in the US media because it's (insert shrieking gay whiny voice here) "anti-gay" and "marginalizes homosexuals". In other words what you get in the USA news is a social agenda over truth and fact.

I read the news on Yandex using a VPN and website translator and am SHOCKED by the fact they simply tell the truth. The real propaganda is in the USA. I will take Russian news over American news sources 9/10 times.

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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Kurieuo » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:23 am

Really, Hillary was quite pathetic in her campaign wasn't she? If she actually campaigned in crucial states, rather than banking on the popular vote and then complaining the rules need changing when she lost. Did no one explain to her the rules? Or perhaps she was really just too sick at the time like many said.

If the rules were different, then everyone would run their campaigns differently. It's like chess. You can take all my pieces if you like, but if I checkmate your king then you're done no matter how much you whine that the rules should be changed to be whoever gets the most pieces.

It also makes sense to me that no state shouldn't be at the mercy of larger ones i.e., one state, ultimately one vote. You want to go down disbandoning the electorial college, perhaps the US should really be split into separate "States" rather than one Presidential "ring" to rule them all? Then ya'll can war each other rather than "meddling" in other countries. ;)
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Re: Convinced yet?

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Post by Byblos » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:58 am

Kurieuo wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:23 am
Really, Hillary was quite pathetic in her campaign wasn't she? If she actually campaigned in crucial states, rather than banking on the popular vote and then complaining the rules need changing when she lost. Did no one explain to her the rules? Or perhaps she was really just too sick at the time like many said.

If the rules were different, then everyone would run their campaigns differently. It's like chess. You can take all my pieces if you like, but if I checkmate your king then you're done no matter how much you whine that the rules should be changed to be whoever gets the most pieces.

It also makes sense to me that no state shouldn't be at the mercy of larger ones i.e., one state, ultimately one vote. You want to go down disbandoning the electorial college, perhaps the US should really be split into separate "States" rather than one Presidential "ring" to rule them all? Then ya'll can war each other rather than "meddling" in other countries. ;)
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