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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by RickD » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:59 pm

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For starters, anyone who's promising free stuff, without realizing how expensive it is, to make it free.
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And do you have a specific example of that happening? Seriously, guys, if the Dems have gone full on radical then that should be trivial.
Here's a few examples. But this is pretty common knowledge:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarko ... 9?amp=true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5 ... 3famp=true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 80%3famp=1
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Post by abelcainsbrother » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:36 pm

Earlier in this thread I mentioned how in the alt-right media we have Christians,atheists,agnostics,pagans,etc and I mentioned knowing of an atheist who became a Christian based on what we have learned.Actually he has returned and rediscovered his faith in Christianity. Here is his testimony video.
Rediscovering Faith:My Journey Back To Christianity.
https://youtu.be/jcM4rdGWZKA
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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:07 am

This is radical. Also evil.
This does seem radical. Then again, at the moment the way it works is that sick illegal immigrants do nothing until things are so bad that they have to go to the ER. The ER then treats them (along with all of the uninsured citizens who can't afford preventative medicine either) and then passes the bill along to the rest of us. Since ER visits are the most expensive options that's a bit cost for us to absorb. That's part of the reason that we spend $10,739 per person on annual healthcare (back in 2017, so I'm sure it's more now).

It's really easy to sneer at the people making suggestions and talk about how stupid and radical they are. It's harder to come up with suggestions to fix a badly broken system. So what should we do?
I'm not sure that an idea can really be seen as "radical" if it has majority support, or if it's been successfully implemented in every other developed nation on the planet. As far as taxes needing to be raised, that's true, but it would be offset by American workers and employers no longer needing to pay gigantic healthcare premiums with five thousand dollar deductibles.
This is a Republican pundit's description of a Democratic proposal. I could provide you with a Democratic pundit's counterpoint, but there's not much point.

We live in a time when higher education is both a requirement for our workforce and an an unmanageable expense for many of our young people. Many of our young people are crippled by college debt and therefore cannot fully participate in the economy. Other young people are stuck in poverty because they cannot afford higher education. That's bad for us all. Furthermore, many of our companies are saying that they can't find qualified workers, and that they need to import them on H1B visas. That's bad for American workers. That's a problem.

The Democratic proposal - generally speaking, as there are actually a variety of proposals - is to make public colleges free to qualified applicants as an investment in our workforce and the future of our country. Now, I think that we can all agree that the problem I outlined above is both real and a problem. Unfortunately, the GOP response to the Democratic proposal is to call liberals idiot socialists. Their counterproposal, as far as I can tell, has yet to be drafted.

An honest Republican - a Republican who gave a [poop] about our country - might reply with a counter proposal. That Republican might say, for example, that free education makes a lot of sense in certain situations, but not in all cases. They might insist that it be limited to kids who passed rigorous entrance exams, majored in high-need subjects, and maintained a 3.0 GPA. They might push back against free baccalaureate programs, but go in on free community college programs geared toward earning kids certificates in high demand fields. They might offer tax credits to companies that worked with community colleges to train up American workers, rather than importing labor from Asia. They might try to come up with a [love] solution to a huge, glaringly obvious problem.

Or they could scream about radical socialism...
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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:45 pm

rac·ist
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a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Let's be clear,
Ed has not shown any evidence for this.

You don't get to call someone a racist because you THINK they are, you need to show evidence.

Calling racism to opposing view points is something that progressives so.
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Post by edwardmurphy » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:06 pm

Somebody called me racist? Huh.
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Post by RickD » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:10 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:45 pm
rac·ist
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a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Let's be clear,
Ed has not shown any evidence for this.

You don't get to call someone a racist because you THINK they are, you need to show evidence.

Calling racism to opposing view points is something that progressives so.
;)
I must've missed it. Did someone call somebody a racist?
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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by claysmithr » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:53 pm

What does impeachment accomplish?

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claysmithr wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:53 pm
What does impeachment accomplish?
Wikipedia is your friend.
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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by claysmithr » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:08 pm

RickD wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:24 pm
claysmithr wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:53 pm
What does impeachment accomplish?
Wikipedia is your friend.
right.. so looks like.. it accomplishes nothing..

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Post by Byblos » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:21 pm

claysmithr wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:08 pm
RickD wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:24 pm
claysmithr wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:53 pm
What does impeachment accomplish?
Wikipedia is your friend.
right.. so looks like.. it accomplishes nothing..
You mean other than Trump's reelection? No, nothing.
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Post by edwardmurphy » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:06 pm

We'll find out when it happens, if it happens. So far all we have is an inquiry, but based on the evidence and the testimony that I've seen so far I think the Democrats have a very strong case. It also seems like more witnesses are starting to come forward and the case is just getting stronger. For that reason I assume Trump will be impeached.

Once the trial starts in the Senate it's anybody's guess. At the moment it seems really unlikely that Trump would be convicted, but you never know. There is probably a tipping point at which the GOP will decide that the risk of convicting Trump is worse than the risk of acquitting him, but there's no way to know where it is until we get there (or don't).

Beyond that, there's the impact that an impeachment trial would have on the 2020 election. The conventional wisdom is that impeachment hurts the party doing the impeaching. Everybody figures that's the case because when Clinton was impeached his approval rating went up. That was a long way before the election though, and in the end it didn't make much difference. The charges against Trump are also a whole lot more serious than the ones against Clinton were, and Clinton was way more popular than Trump. Slick Willie's average approval rating across 8 years was 55%. Trump's average across 3 years is about 42%. Clinton's high water mark was 73%. Trump topped out at 46%. Oh, and the Dems have picked up more than 400 seats in various state legislatures. I forgot about that one, so I'm just throwing it in at the end.

Then we've got the overall political climate. Conservatives will tell you that since Trump won the 2016 election the "Democrat Party" is in the process of collapsing. In reality the Democrats have won a ton of special elections since 2016. They also gave the GOP a brutal shellacking in the midterms, and they've picked up - IIRC - 9 governor's mansions since then, including Kentucky and Louisiana just this month. It's worth noting that KY and LA are both deep red states where Trump spent the last few months campaigning his ass off in support of the governors who, as I mentioned, both lost to Democrats. Turns out that while Trump is motivating his base to come out he's also motivating a lot of other people to do the same, and those people hate his guts. Virginia also went solid blue earlier this month. And even when the Republicans have won, the races have been way closer than expected. So I don't know...maybe there's some momentum there.

Long story short, I think that if the evidence is absolutely overwhelming then maybe it will be enough to force the GOP to kick Trump to the curb, and if it's just really strong (which it already is) then the Trump will get crushed at the polls and drag half the GOP under with him.
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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by Blessed » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:36 am

They are trying to impeach the duly elected President of the United States over nothing to affect an upcoming election.

If they impeach the President and there is a forceful response to stop his impeachment with people streaming to DC to stop it - I will join it.

This man has committed no impeachable offense. He has had a target on his back the second it became apparent he was the front runner in the election. Before his Presidency the media loved him. Afterwards they hate him. Nothing but non stop negativity and lies for almost 4 years. For example today the man visited the hospital (we don't know why) and CNN ran non-stop speculations hypotheticals on hypotheticals about his health fitness for a 2nd term.

This country needs to split into separate nations. Cal-Exit needs to happen to get the ball rolling.

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Post by edwardmurphy » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:30 am

Remember how all of you guys said that the voters made their will clear in 2016 and we needed to shut up and like it? Well, in 2018 the voters chose to dump a ton of GOP congress people and give their seats to Democrats. Those Democrats all campaigned on exercising oversight of the executive branch. This is a campaign promise fulfilled. It's the will of the people. Shut up and like it.

And moving on...
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They are trying to impeach the duly elected President of the United States over nothing to affect an upcoming election.
And because he's corrupt. If exposing Trump's corruption hurts his reelection chances that seems fair. Nobody forced him to be corrupt.
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If they impeach the President and there is a forceful response to stop his impeachment with people streaming to DC to stop it - I will join it.

You should swing by Comet Ping Pong and free the foreign kids Hillary Clinton is holding as sex slaves. I hear they're in the basement. Godspeed.
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This man has committed no impeachable offense.
Sure, if you discount the many impeachable offenses he committed.
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:36 am
He has had a target on his back the second it became apparent he was the front runner in the election.

And Hillary Clinton has had a target on her back since her husband won his first term. So what? That's politics. Are you expecting the Democrats to overlook what happened because investigating his apparent corruption would make them seem biased? Of course they're biased, but they're not fools. They didn't open an impeachment inquiry until they had something worthy of impeachment. And if you watch the hearings you'll see that they do.

Bt that comment is also a red herring. Of course the Democrats would love to catch Trump committing an impeachable offense. That being the case, he would have been smart not to commit any. But he did, because he's arrogant and entitled and he thinks that he can do whatever he wants.
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Before his Presidency the media loved him. Afterwards they hate him. Nothing but non stop negativity and lies for almost 4 years.
Ummm...no. The media loved the ratings that they got by covering his ridiculous antics.
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For example today the man visited the hospital (we don't know why) and CNN ran non-stop speculations hypotheticals on hypotheticals about his health fitness for a 2nd term.

Every Presidential candidate is expected to take a physical and provide it to us so that we can determine whether or not he or she is healthy enough to do the job. That's reasonable, isn't it? And Trump blew that off and gave us this absurd letter stating that he'd be the healthiest President in the history of the nation if elected. That seemed unlikely, since Trump was an overweight septuagenarian with a penchant for eating at KFC. One does not need a medical degree to understand that old fat guys with crappy diets are not healthy.

Since then he's just gotten fatter, he still eats fast food, and he doesn't seem to exercise (apart from a bit of golf). Then he had a sudden, unannounced trip to Walter Reed - a visit that surprised the hospital staff. And his explanation was that it was stage one of a scheduled physical. That's [nonsense].

So why was the President of the United States of America rushed to the hospital? Is that not a reasonable question?
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This country needs to split into separate nations. Cal-Exit needs to happen to get the ball rolling.
Way to stay rational and constructive.
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Re: Is impeachment and removal from office possible? What would it take?

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Post by Blessed » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:30 pm

You are ASS-UMING he is corrupt with NO EVIDENCE other than hate to fuel you until you find it.

"sure if you discount the many impeachable offenses he's committed"

Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. This is an idiotic comment. Again you have NO EVIDENCE. Your "reasoning" (if you want to call it that) is based on:

1) Speculation or Suspicion
2) Loopy Hypotheticals on Hypotheticals in an attempt to arrive at something you have already concluded.

You have already concluded all this in your mind and slammed the gavel down in judgment. And now you scramble and hypothesize to "prove" those conclusions. This is exactly what they did in the old USSR. It is not justice.

I don't care if you don't like Trump. The other half elected him because people finally got a candidate that was not selected by the insiders - i.e. the real rulers of this country and was not a career politician and they jumped on it. Trump is the duly elected President and unless something very serious happens that deserves impeachment - he will remain President until the next re-election cycle at which time (hopefully) he will be re-elected.

Even if you hate Trump how can you POSSIBLY want any of the alternatives - Democrat or Republican they are all the same. You will now label me a conspiracy theorist for saying "the real rulers of this country" while forgetting that your #1 candidate Bernie Sanders was FORCEFULLY OUSTED in the primary's by the same insiders to force Clinton past him. You should already know the infamous video where almost everyone in the crowd voted for Sanders and Clinton was put in as the front-runner.

At the very least you should see that Trump is better than ANY alternatives provided by the establishment. And even if he gets nothing done in the next 4 years I will vote for him simply to be a thorn in these peoples sides.

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