Are radical Muslims a minority?

[B. W.]

Nobody is making an equivalency argument. I mentioned colonialism because it's relevant, and Stu brought up the Crusades.

Terrifying moment three Jihadis were shot dead after killing seven and hurting 48: Gang yell 'This is for Allah' after mowing down crowd on London Bridge then going on stabbing frenzy

Seven people were killed and at least 48 others injured in an on London Bridge and Borough Market last night

Three men drove a white van in an 'S shape' across the bridge at 50mph, mowing down up to 20 pedestrians

They left the vehicle and began 'randomly stabbing' victims with 12-inch knives in busy bars in the market

Witnesses described seeing victims with their throats cut while others fought off attackers with pint glasses
Police shot dead the terrorists - one of whom was wearing an Arsenal shirt - within eight minutes of initial call

Today armed police raided a block of flats in Barking, east London, as a major investigation was underway

Terror attack comes just 12 days after the Manchester attack and 10 weeks after the Westminster atrocity


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Modern Global Colonialism in action today...

Thank you Ed for helping folks define Islam as - Colonial Islam -
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[edwardmurphy]

You're deluded, B.W.

[RickD]

One of the methods used to achieve the goals of Islam, again, according to their own book, is colonialism.

co·lo·ni·al·ism
kəˈlōnēəˌlizəm/
noun
the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.

[edwardmurphy]

I know what colonialism is, and anyone who thinks that the West is being colonized by Muslims is deluded.

[Stu]

I know what colonialism is, and anyone who thinks that the West is being colonized by Muslims is deluded.

Let's talk in a couple years time.

[edwardmurphy]

I expect I'll be here.

[Stu]

I expect I'll be here.

So will millions of more Muslims coming into Europe.

[Stu]

This is what Germany and Europe is coming to. Free speech, yeah right.

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German thought police punished an elderly woman

[RickD]

I know what colonialism is, and anyone who thinks that the West is being colonized by Muslims is deluded.

Which part of this is false?

co·lo·ni·al·ism
kəˈlōnēəˌlizəm/
noun
the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.

[edwardmurphy]

The part where you say it's happening.

[Storyteller]

My thoughts on this...

I don't know enough about Islam to judge it, I do know a few Muslims though (my daughter has few friends at her school, which is coincidentally a C of E girls school, that are. They all express grief and horror at the things carried out by these Islamic extremists, one girl was afraid to go to school because of fear of being branded a terrorist.
By excluding or fearing the majority (it has to be said) of peaceful Muslims, are we not just playing straight into the hands of ISIS? If we, as Christians, judge and persecute them, fear them, isn't that just pushing them towards a group who will use that to say we need to be dominated?

It does appear that the Koran preaches hatred and killing of 'infidels', sharia law and the like which rings huge alarm bells for me.
I know there has been a lot of war, and killing, in the name of Christianity but nowhere in the Bible can I find a verse that advocates slaughter of non believers.

Who knows how this can be, or even if, it can be resolved? For my part, I will carry on as best as I can, cry for those affected by all this, pray and trust God. Over here in the UK there have been many uplifting stories of people from all religions pulling together against these terrorists. We need to spread more love and tolerance than they can spread terror and fear, in my opinion. If we start turning against Muslims, the terrorists win.

[RickD]

My thoughts on this...

I don't know enough about Islam to judge it, I do know a few Muslims though (my daughter has few friends at her school, which is coincidentally a C of E girls school, that are. They all express grief and horror at the things carried out by these Islamic extremists, one girl was afraid to go to school because of fear of being branded a terrorist.
By excluding or fearing the majority (it has to be said) of peaceful Muslims, are we not just playing straight into the hands of ISIS? If we, as Christians, judge and persecute them, fear them, isn't that just pushing them towards a group who will use that to say we need to be dominated?

It does appear that the Koran preaches hatred and killing of 'infidels', sharia law and the like which rings huge alarm bells for me.
I know there has been a lot of war, and killing, in the name of Christianity but nowhere in the Bible can I find a verse that advocates slaughter of non believers.

Who knows how this can be, or even if, it can be resolved? For my part, I will carry on as best as I can, cry for those affected by all this, pray and trust God. Over here in the UK there have been many uplifting stories of people from all religions pulling together against these terrorists. We need to spread more love and tolerance than they can spread terror and fear, in my opinion. If we start turning against Muslims, the terrorists win.

Is that the official Catholic position?

[Storyteller]

I don't know, you'd have to ask a Catholic

[PaulSacramento]

My thoughts on this...

I don't know enough about Islam to judge it, I do know a few Muslims though (my daughter has few friends at her school, which is coincidentally a C of E girls school, that are. They all express grief and horror at the things carried out by these Islamic extremists, one girl was afraid to go to school because of fear of being branded a terrorist.
By excluding or fearing the majority (it has to be said) of peaceful Muslims, are we not just playing straight into the hands of ISIS? If we, as Christians, judge and persecute them, fear them, isn't that just pushing them towards a group who will use that to say we need to be dominated?

It does appear that the Koran preaches hatred and killing of 'infidels', sharia law and the like which rings huge alarm bells for me.
I know there has been a lot of war, and killing, in the name of Christianity but nowhere in the Bible can I find a verse that advocates slaughter of non believers.

Who knows how this can be, or even if, it can be resolved? For my part, I will carry on as best as I can, cry for those affected by all this, pray and trust God. Over here in the UK there have been many uplifting stories of people from all religions pulling together against these terrorists. We need to spread more love and tolerance than they can spread terror and fear, in my opinion. If we start turning against Muslims, the terrorists win.

Very good points and yes, ideally, if we can show our Muslim brothers and sisters that we are there for them, then the radicals have far less "ammo" to use in their radicalization.
BUT that is just one part of it and history has taught us that you can't reason with the unreasonable, you can't reason with those that view reasoning as a sign of weakness.

There is no clear-cut solution, no "one fix" and that is perhaps the hardest part to admit.

Did anyone see the One Love concert, did you notice the crowds?

[Philip]

Paul: ideally, if we can show our Muslim brothers and sisters that we are there for them, then the radicals have far less "ammo" to use in their radicalization.

Unquestionably true!

Paul: BUT that is just one part of it and history has taught us that you can't reason with the unreasonable, you can't reason with those that view reasoning as a sign of weakness.

Yes, those, like Iran, who merely see our overtures as naive and pointless, as mere opportunities to be exploited for their own evil ends - we must oppose such people whenever and however possible. Safety must come first. With all such entities, carrots alone will not work. There must always be a big stick at the ready - and used whenever necessary.