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I think this is a fair and accurate analysis of the current state of the Trump presidency:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democracy- ... 1495149082
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Yeah, that's about right.
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Philip wrote:I think this is a fair and accurate analysis of the current state of the Trump presidency:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democracy- ... 1495149082
The only people playing with Democracy is the deep state establishment as they are proving that they do not care about election results and that they decide for us who we get and what we do,whether we the people like it or not.The deep state establishment is and has been far more a threat to our Democracy than Donald Trump,as a matter of fact both parties have been blocking Trump's agenda that he ran on since the day he was elected and yet Trump is effected by it.He has been stonewalled,for now.

It is these career politicians in Washington that are the evil ones who are sold out puppets to their donors who sell out America and the American people for a globalist agenda that is treason while giving us political lesser than two evil game so that there is not much difference between a Republican President and a Democrat President where they act like political enemies in the media but go on vacations together behind the scenes.They never fix anything despite the trillions of dollars they have spent and America and the American people suffer for it and they don'y want it to stop because they refuse to put America and the American people first and put other people and countries first,instead,both Republican and Democrat.

Instead of looking at Trump as a threat to Democracy focus on the deep state establishment that is holding up the middle finger to those who voted against them and voted for Donald Trump to drain the swamp. No wonder they want him impeached,he is a threat to their political games and corruption that they want to remain hidden.This article is focused on the wrong enemy,BIGTIME! The fact they want to impeach Trump tells me he is doing it the right way and they can't stand it and my support for Donald Trump is only increased.

We will march on Washington that go into Congress and throw these loser politicians out in the street if they ever impeached Trump,we have the military on our side too,As Trump is the commander in chief and we would be on his side,but they won't because it is God's will that Trump is President and they cannot stop God's will.God himself is dissatisfied with both political parties too.We have God's permission to drain the swamp in Washington.
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ACB wrote:
We will march on Washington that go into Congress and throw these loser politicians out in the street if they ever impeached Trump,we have the military on our side too,As Trump is the commander in chief and we would be on his side,but they won't because it is God's will that Trump is President and they cannot stop God's will.God himself is dissatisfied with both political parties too.We have God's permission to drain the swamp in Washington.
I really think we need to distinguish between God's active will, and His passive will. Otherwise, this is a very dangerous path to go down.

It's one thing for a random guy on a small forum claiming Trump's presidency is a result of some fulfilled prophecy. But this kind of thought can lead to some real dangerous stuff happening, being justified in "God's name", if too many zealots start acting on it.
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RickD wrote:
ACB wrote:
We will march on Washington that go into Congress and throw these loser politicians out in the street if they ever impeached Trump,we have the military on our side too,As Trump is the commander in chief and we would be on his side,but they won't because it is God's will that Trump is President and they cannot stop God's will.God himself is dissatisfied with both political parties too.We have God's permission to drain the swamp in Washington.
I really think we need to distinguish between God's active will, and His passive will. Otherwise, this is a very dangerous path to go down.

It's one thing for a random guy on a small forum claiming Trump's presidency is a result of some fulfilled prophecy. But this kind of thought can lead to some real dangerous stuff happening, being justified in "God's name", if too many zealots start acting on it.
I believe it is God's will that Donald Trump is the President and I also believe that God is using Donald Trump to restore America so that God's work can get done in these last days.This is based on my understanding of bible prophecy as well as other prophecies that I know about that seem to confirm my interpretation of bible prophecy.

Like for instance,I have said before that we are living in the last days but we are not close to the coming of Jesus yet like most bible prophets claim because more prophecies must be fulfilled before other prophecies can be fulfilled. So when I know and understand that more prophecies must be fulfilled before the tribulation can start it makes sense to me that God is now using Donald Trump to slow globalism down so that the church can get his work done in these last days.

It is not time for the rapture anytime soon as the church still has much work to get done in these last days that cannot get done if God does not slow globalism down.It is not time for the tribulation yet.

The church is under too much assault and persecution right now.I believe God is slowing globalism down for now and until more prophecies are fulfilled so that other prophecies can be fulfilled.Donald Trump just recently signed an EO that makes it easier for the church to speak out politically and not lose its tax exempt status,for example, like he said he would if elected.God wants to make it easier for his work to get done for now in these last days for God is not willing that any should perish but all come to him in repentence.

But ultimately in the future the world will succumb to globalism as the bible says that will lead to the mark of the beast system,but the church will be raptured first.
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ACB: Instead of looking at Trump as a threat to Democracy...
Whoa, whoa, WHOA!!! That article did not refer to Trump as some threat to democracy. It has reasonable criticism of how he conducts his presidency. TRUMP hand-picked the people around him, and yet what we are seeing is chaos and leaks. Now, he can't control the greater government and its tentacles, but surely he is responsible for the zoo that is going on in his own administration. Act like an adult! Don't constantly tweet unsubstantiated things or impulsively. Either Trump is responsible for his inner cabinet and goings on, or he's not. What we are seeing right now isn't professional - and he needs to clean it up. Fire and acquire the right people - WHATEVER it takes! It's just not credible to keep blaming everything on a conspiracy of the "deep state." Yes, those things exist, and the Democrats will hate Trump no matter what. But don't let him off the hook for things that he should be held accountable for. Placing his own daughter and SIL in positions of power - really, anyone here think that's a great idea? Look at their backgrounds - they are totally unqualified for such. And they greatly undermine his credibility to follow such nepotism! Experienced and capable people are being subjected to Ken and Barbie in the Oval office. Really, TRUMP is helping the Democrats and his critics. And the sooner he quits blaming everyone else and "the swamp" for things he DOES control, the deeper his own personal swamp will become. If he can't control his own inner circle, mouth and information, forget about him reforming Washington!
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Philip wrote:
ACB: Instead of looking at Trump as a threat to Democracy...
Whoa, whoa, WHOA!!! That article did not refer to Trump as some threat to democracy. It has reasonable criticism of how he conducts his presidency. TRUMP hand-picked the people around him, and yet what we are seeing is chaos and leaks. Now, he can't control the greater government and its tentacles, but surely he is responsible for the zoo that is going on in his own administration. Act like an adult! Don't constantly tweet unsubstantiated things or impulsively. Either Trump is responsible for his inner cabinet and goings on, or he's not. What we are seeing right now isn't professional - and he needs to clean it up. Fire and acquire the right people - WHATEVER it takes! It's just not credible to keep blaming everything on a conspiracy of the "deep state." Yes, those things exist, and the Democrats will hate Trump no matter what. But don't let him off the hook for things that he should be held accountable for. Placing his own daughter and SIL in positions of power - really, anyone here think that's a great idea? Look at their backgrounds - they are totally unqualified for such. And they greatly undermine his credibility to follow such nepotism! Experienced and capable people are being subjected to Ken and Barbie in the Oval office. Really, TRUMP is helping the Democrats and his critics. And the sooner he quits blaming everyone else and "the swamp" for things he DOES control, the deeper his own personal swamp will become. If he can't control his own inner circle, mouth and information, forget about him reforming Washington!
I'm not letting him off the hook,I'm just looking at things differently than those who criticize Donald Trump. Like for instance. I believe Donald Trump has a plan in place that cannot be implemented yet,but will be at the right time to drain the swamp and so right now he is kinda laying low and seeming to play along for now. And by appointing certian people that seem to be people contrary to his agenda it is cover for his true intentions.

So I don't really expect much to get done legislatively for now,I even think it is a good thing for now that not much gets done legislatively because after the dabacle over replacing Obamacare the Republicans are only giving him bad bills for him to sign and so they will only continue to give him bad bills to sign.

But by biding his time and camaouflaging himself he is just waiting for the right time to make his move.He is playing chess and is outsmarting his political opposition and he will bring down the establishment and then we'll have special elections to replace these sick twisted politicians and then he will get his agenda passed.Alot of people are going to be shocked at how many politicians are involved and are prosecuted.
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RickD wrote:
ACB wrote:
We will march on Washington that go into Congress and throw these loser politicians out in the street if they ever impeached Trump,we have the military on our side too,As Trump is the commander in chief and we would be on his side,but they won't because it is God's will that Trump is President and they cannot stop God's will.God himself is dissatisfied with both political parties too.We have God's permission to drain the swamp in Washington.
I really think we need to distinguish between God's active will, and His passive will. Otherwise, this is a very dangerous path to go down.

It's one thing for a random guy on a small forum claiming Trump's presidency is a result of some fulfilled prophecy. But this kind of thought can lead to some real dangerous stuff happening, being justified in "God's name", if too many zealots start acting on it.
There are people angry at politicians in Washington who are ignoring the will of the people and yes if they try to have Trump impeached I believe you would see the millions of Trump supporters marching in Washington and it could even lead to a civil war.However I don't think it is going to happen and I said so because God is in control and his will will go forth. God's will is going to be done and so no civil war.
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ACB: I'm not letting him off the hook, I'm just looking at things differently than those who criticize Donald Trump. Like for instance. I believe Donald Trump has a plan in place that cannot be implemented yet,but will be at the right time to drain the swamp and so right now he is kinda laying low and seeming to play along for now. And by appointing certian people that seem to be people contrary to his agenda it is cover for his true intentions.
Wow - so you believe that, given the many dire things facing our country, that Trump has some brilliant plan that he's delaying enacting??? That he's appointing people who "seem" to be against his agenda? This is not how an executive of any kind runs their office. With mature leadership, those who FOLLOW and are appointed either echo precisely what the top dog's wishes and policies are, or they are gone - ASAP! ONE staffer contradicting or having actions that aren't in line with the exec - either they are gone or it will never happen again. With Trump Inc., there's constant chaos. And every time there is all of this apparent chaos - whether slight of hand and manufactured, or as just (supposedly) stealthily cleaver - the bottom line is that with every new day, every new incident, every new train wreck, Trump is further discredited, loses the support of those in his party, strengthens the opposition party, and loses the faith and support of those who wish him to be a great leader.

I believe the problem is that Trump is inexperienced at politics and so he is his own worst enemy - despite many likely good intentions. And that has continued because he's not allowing anyone with the maturity, necessary experience, and leadership into his inner circle to tell him when he is wrong. That's why his daughter and SIL are in the White House power group - they'll only do and say what daddy says to - whether good or bad - and without ever standing up to him. People who only tolerate "Yes" men typically ruin themselves, per their own ego and narcissism.

To see what I'm saying, see this short video interview of an author who has written a book on presidents and their chiefs of staff - which ones were effective, which were not, and why. I think it offers some good clues as to what Trump's negative issues with staff are:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/544367859800 ... show-clips
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Trump is not a threat to the Republic but is a threat to democracy as defined by those of the Left.
The role of democracy in Marxist thinking may refer to the role of democratic processes in the transition from capitalism to communism or capitalism to Marxist socialism. It can also refer to the importance ascribed to participatory democracy in a post-capitalist society.

Karl Marx is often cited as saying "democracy is the road to socialism", but this line is not directly stated in any of his works. Marx did however express belief that the working class could achieve power through democratic elections, but that working people had the right to revolt if they were denied political expression.[1] In Principles of Communism, in response to the question "Will the peaceful abolition of private property be possible?"

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In this light, trump is a threat to the lefts idea of democracy

So when people of the left start shouting that Trump is a threat to democracy to get everyone shouting the same thing then... y:-?
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You're such a meatball. There are like 12 Marxists left in the world and they all live on the same commune in Northern California.
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Philip wrote:
ACB: I'm not letting him off the hook, I'm just looking at things differently than those who criticize Donald Trump. Like for instance. I believe Donald Trump has a plan in place that cannot be implemented yet,but will be at the right time to drain the swamp and so right now he is kinda laying low and seeming to play along for now. And by appointing certian people that seem to be people contrary to his agenda it is cover for his true intentions.
Wow - so you believe that, given the many dire things facing our country, that Trump has some brilliant plan that he's delaying enacting??? That he's appointing people who "seem" to be against his agenda? This is not how an executive of any kind runs their office. With mature leadership, those who FOLLOW and are appointed either echo precisely what the top dog's wishes and policies are, or they are gone - ASAP! ONE staffer contradicting or having actions that aren't in line with the exec - either they are gone or it will never happen again. With Trump Inc., there's constant chaos. And every time there is all of this apparent chaos - whether slight of hand and manufactured, or as just (supposedly) stealthily cleaver - the bottom line is that with every new day, every new incident, every new train wreck, Trump is further discredited, loses the support of those in his party, strengthens the opposition party, and loses the faith and support of those who wish him to be a great leader.

I believe the problem is that Trump is inexperienced at politics and so he is his own worst enemy - despite many likely good intentions. And that has continued because he's not allowing anyone with the maturity, necessary experience, and leadership into his inner circle to tell him when he is wrong. That's why his daughter and SIL are in the White House power group - they'll only do and say what daddy says to - whether good or bad - and without ever standing up to him. People who only tolerate "Yes" men typically ruin themselves, per their own ego and narcissism.

To see what I'm saying, see this short video interview of an author who has written a book on presidents and their chiefs of staff - which ones were effective, which were not, and why. I think it offers some good clues as to what Trump's negative issues with staff are:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/544367859800 ... show-clips
OK,that is how you see it and I respect your view.I might have your view too but I'm looking at it from a different perspective and I believe Donald Trump is playing chess.You should know that one of the reasons we supported Trump is how he is not intimidated by political foes and he hits back harder than they do after he is attacked first.

The Democrats have attacked Trump over this colluding with Russia nonsense trying to even impeach him over it but Trump will hit them back at the right time and when he hits back he does far more damage than his political foes did when they attacked him first.Trump is nice until you hit him and then he hits back.He is not scared of them or their tactics.

I have had enough of wimpy Republicans who allow the Democrats to control them with political correctness,they are scared of their own shadows and let the Democrats get away with the lies and slander they spew at political foes to take them out and they have done it many of times.And they just get away with it.Already they have used it to take out Michael Flynn and if it was'nt for Donald Trump they would get away with it as usual,but they won't with Trump in there.

But Trump does not and will not just take it,he hits back and you watch when he does at the right time it is the Democrat Party that is going to be blown to smithereens politically speaking. I could be wrong but I'm going by things I have researched and believe is true.
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OK, ACB, I don't want to ruin your fantasy!

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Philip wrote:OK, ACB, I don't want to ruin your fantasy!

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OK thanks,but my fantasy is more along the lines of David and Goliath than Superman.Trump is David and Goliath is the establishment/deep state(with his brothers with him too)and he will take down the giant with a simple sling and stone.Trump's brothers and friends who thought he was too puny and wimpy to take on the giant will be shocked at how he takes down the giant.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:
Philip wrote:I think this is a fair and accurate analysis of the current state of the Trump presidency:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democracy- ... 1495149082
The only people playing with Democracy is the deep state establishment as they are proving that they do not care about election results and that they decide for us who we get and what we do,whether we the people like it or not.The deep state establishment is and has been far more a threat to our Democracy than Donald Trump,as a matter of fact both parties have been blocking Trump's agenda that he ran on since the day he was elected and yet Trump is effected by it.He has been stonewalled,for now.

It is these career politicians in Washington that are the evil ones who are sold out puppets to their donors who sell out America and the American people for a globalist agenda that is treason while giving us political lesser than two evil game so that there is not much difference between a Republican President and a Democrat President where they act like political enemies in the media but go on vacations together behind the scenes.They never fix anything despite the trillions of dollars they have spent and America and the American people suffer for it and they don'y want it to stop because they refuse to put America and the American people first and put other people and countries first,instead,both Republican and Democrat.

Instead of looking at Trump as a threat to Democracy focus on the deep state establishment that is holding up the middle finger to those who voted against them and voted for Donald Trump to drain the swamp. No wonder they want him impeached,he is a threat to their political games and corruption that they want to remain hidden.This article is focused on the wrong enemy,BIGTIME! The fact they want to impeach Trump tells me he is doing it the right way and they can't stand it and my support for Donald Trump is only increased.

We will march on Washington that go into Congress and throw these loser politicians out in the street if they ever impeached Trump,we have the military on our side too,As Trump is the commander in chief and we would be on his side,but they won't because it is God's will that Trump is President and they cannot stop God's will.God himself is dissatisfied with both political parties too.We have God's permission to drain the swamp in Washington.

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