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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby Hortator » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:17 am

The guy that spent his entire career manipulating the media actually knows how to manipulate the media! :esurprised: Can't say I didn't see this coming. Which is why the saying is, "Can't stump the Trump."

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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby Philip » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:57 am

One thing that has been amazing to me, is how fast and complex the political news cycle of America has been lately. The speed of communications, the abilities of electronic surveillance and capabilities to instantly distribute information around the world - well, it's hard to keep up with what's going on, it's all moving so fast - so many new and obscure players, such murkiness of what has actually transpired. Fake news? Old school guys just called it "BS!"

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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby abelcainsbrother » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:08 am

The news is starting to trickle out just like I said and Trump is being vindicated that he was under serveillance just like he said.Just like I have said before,if the liberal MSM reports something? Believe the opposite of what they report.They cannot be trusted to report the truth with about 95% of what they report and have no credibility.This is a big reason that Trump won and nobody believed the lies they told about Trump during the election.Now there credibility is even worse and it is a good thing to see.

Dems and media attacking wrong person
https://youtu.be/cx0N39lMV9o

Obama aide squeals on live TV
https://youtu.be/24y32xPH8I8
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby edwardmurphy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:13 pm

Your statement doesn't seem to line up with reality. The Nunes "bombshell" appears not to actually exist, and the scandal there looks like it's about the Chairman of the House Intel Committee trying to obstruct his own investigation.

Of, and Alex Jones apologized for fanning the flames on the non-existent Pizza gate scandal and recklessly getting an innocent man's restaurant shot up by a gullible loon.

BTW, kudos to Trump for his success in repealing Obamacare.
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby abelcainsbrother » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:55 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:Your statement doesn't seem to line up with reality. The Nunes "bombshell" appears not to actually exist, and the scandal there looks like it's about the Chairman of the House Intel Committee trying to obstruct his own investigation.

Of, and Alex Jones apologized for fanning the flames on the non-existent Pizza gate scandal and recklessly getting an innocent man's restaurant shot up by a gullible loon.

BTW, kudos to Trump for his success in repealing Obamacare.


I can't help it you can't see the truth coming out but we do and Trump is being vindicated.The only thing Alex Jones apologized about had to do with Comet pizza not a sexual pedophilia ring all over the country,there are arrests going on all over the country so it is coming.Obamacare? Both parties are blocking him from carrying out what he ran on and won on,so we don't blame him,we blame Congress.Their stonewalling only hurts themselves.
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby edwardmurphy » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:07 pm

How are you suddenly a "we"?
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby Hortator » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:51 pm

If we're veering into Comet Pizza temporarily, while there was no evidence, I find it easy to believe. Why? You spend your life in the Beltway Bubble, eating caviar in your limo and sipping champagne as your chauffeur escorts you to a 5-star restaurant that doesn't even accept credit cards, and the prime rib is served to you on a plate that is self-heating to keep it warm.

My point is, maybe some of these guys wanted to try something avant garde, edgy, postmodern, and most of all something new, since they've sampled everything else in life. Part thrill-seeking, part "cuz why not". Plus we all know they have no morals on the hill.

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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby abelcainsbrother » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:12 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:How are you suddenly a "we"?


Trump supporters.
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby edwardmurphy » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:14 am

So Abe, where is your evidence that arrests related to a Clinton-run pedophilia rung are being made all over the country?

And regarding Obamacare, Trump ran as the great negotiator, the unblockable macho man that was going to whip the Establishment into shape. He said he was going to win so much you'd get tired of winning. So far all he's managed to do is play golf, visit his properties, and lose every time he tries to do something.

You bozos elected Jay Gatsby...
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby Philip » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:57 am

Ed: "And regarding Obamacare, Trump ran as the great negotiator, the unblockable macho man that was going to whip the Establishment into shape. He said he was going to win so much you'd get tired of winning. So far ..."


Ed, the guy's not been in office but since January, and you're pronouncing him a failed president? Bias alert, anyone?

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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby edwardmurphy » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:42 am

Please, I'm not FOX News and Sideshow Don isn't Obama.

I said that so far his presidency is a long list of scandals, failures, and rounds of golf. I think that's an accurate assessment, especially considering that his party controls the entire government.

He has plenty of time to turn it around. Donald J Trump could end up being our greatest President ever. But I doubt it. He's an unprincipled, undisciplined know-nothing, and he's way out of his depths. He's more likely to get impeached than he is to achieve greatness.
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby abelcainsbrother » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:07 am

edwardmurphy wrote:So Abe, where is your evidence that arrests related to a Clinton-run pedophilia rung are being made all over the country?

And regarding Obamacare, Trump ran as the great negotiator, the unblockable macho man that was going to whip the Establishment into shape. He said he was going to win so much you'd get tired of winning. So far all he's managed to do is play golf, visit his properties, and lose every time he tries to do something.

You bozos elected Jay Gatsby...


What kind of question is that? This pedo-ring is much bigger than you realize but other than covering it up I have not heard of a Clinton run pedophilia ring.You won't believe it if I did give you the reasons or evidence for why people do believe it,so I won't.The American people are fed up with both parties.But while the lib media and democrats throw lies at Trump,Trump has the ace in the hole.I don't care if you believe it or not.

Trump has got alot done with what he can do himself as the President and so he is winning,but we do not hold it against him when both parties are blocking his agenda.It is only backfiring on them and causing people to want the swamp drained even more.It is not hurting Trump.If Trump got only 10% of what he ran on it would still be better than what we would have got had Hillary won. But Trump will get much of his agenda before he is done.
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby Philip » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:07 am

As for healthcare, Mike Huckabee was right - the Republican majority wanted to pass any bill that replaced Obamacare, just so they could say, "see, we followed through on our promise, got rid of OC!" But what did would that bill truly have changed that was truly helpful? Of course, employers like doing away with the mandate. What I don't get, is what is the huge hurry to just pass something that has no great benefit. Yes, OC is all smoke and mirrors, is unsustainable. But this needs to be far better thought out. Good PR and BS are not the same as good policy. Putting a new acronym upon whatever new healthcare initiative doesn't mean it's something to get behind, just because it is a replacement for OC. But all sides must realize that OC is going away, and that no one, no matter their affiliations, is going to get exactly what they want. As for the very poor, that cannot afford healthcare, there may be a better hybrid approach for those, that takes care of their basic needs. Which reminds me, the idea that every bell and whistle should be a right for all - that's crazy and horribly expensive (see, unrealistic and undoable). Those over a certain income should have to buy their own healthcare. And those getting free services, shouldn't expect every nuance of healthcare.

Whatever the replacement, if it doesn't address aspects of healthcare that are insanely driving up the costs - if the deliverers of services and products can simply name their price, especially without being susceptible to the price stabilizing effects of direct competition, then we've achieved nothing.

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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby RickD » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:10 pm

Susan Rice requested to unmask names of Trump transition officials, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04 ... s-say.html
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Re: Did Obama wiretap Trump?

Postby Philip » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:52 pm

Susan Rice requested to unmask names of Trump transition officials, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04 ... s-say.html


And, of course, this was certainly known by BO. I can hear him gleefully chuckling over this. Think the press will focus upon that? A huge problem with the press is that few media types seem to really understand the bigger picture, or what is truly dangerous as opposed to the tabloid kind of mentality as to what they typically think is a big deal. So many in the press nowadays think everything should be out in the open - no government secrets, no intelligence gathering - as if it is all bad. Yep, some bad stuff goes on. But the reality of the world we live in, is our enemies don't play nice. And we don't owe "nice" to those determined to harm us. But the average Joe and Jill, sitting around playing FaceBook games and taking selfies, are woefully naive about such things.


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