PaulSacramento wrote:Ok...not to be an *** about this guys but nowhere in any of that are fallen angels called demons.
Nowhere does any of that describe the origins of demons.
I mean we can assume a few things and read into them BUT haven't we be warning against do that this whole thread ?
Is there any explicit statement saying: "fallen angels are demons"?
or "angels that rebel are demons"?
And if they are and the rebellion happened at Christ;s birth and reign, as Revelation implies, does that mean there were no demons prior to that?
Again, you need to read what the writers of the bible and Peter and Jude knew and understood about this subject. Proper bible study indeed includes the historical aspect of what these folks who wrote the bible knew and read.
They read writings like Enoch as Enoch is quoted in the NT so is the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Jasher. Book of Enoch mentions that demons, according to the traditions of the 2nd Temple era Judaism are the spirits of the Nephilim - the mixed breed of human and angelic beings, left to wonder about the earth as well as in the current hell.
Also writing like Enoch mentions that at least 200 of the leading falling angels were sent to hell - Matt 25:41 - there to await judgment day for the crimes they committed against God and the Human race. However the head Leader was not. He had a scapegoat named Azazel who was sent to hell with the promises that after Satan defeated God, he would be sprung from hell or that at a later time, he could be conjured out of hell to finish the job of corrupting humanity and defeating God. This would involve, creating an offspring to inhabit or have influenced to be part of the plan on earth to defeat God.
Amazingly, the deep occult actually are trying to to do this conjurer up this being or his demon offspring. This offspring is mentioned in the book of Revelation concerning the antichrsit and false prophet.
I find it really tragic that this is not taught in churches today due the the de-supernaturalization of the bible currently en vogue today. Many Christians will not know what will hit them
Yes it is silly to get upset over this as it come to pride - the pride that desires to teach that the supernatural element of the bible is not current because God grew up and stopped his own supernatural dealing with humanity to agree with man's idea of 'normal' and 'rational' wholeheartedly should look like and be.
Basically - that is what this boils down too. Does the supernatural world exist?
God of the bible is a supernatural God who parted the red sea, rained manna from heaven, brought forth water from a rock in the dry desert, made a donkey speak, rained fire out of heaven, sent forth an aspect of trinity nature into humanity to die on a cross to pay the price for our sins, who healed people, cast our demons, calmed the storms, raised from the dead, ascended into heaven, sent forth the Holy Spirit as flames of fire on people, gave an open vision to Peter, called John and Ezekiel into heaven, sent an angel to free Peter from a prison, and the list goes on - such as warning people that we are in a great spiritual war.
Though we believe in a supernatural God who did these things many now say to God, NO, to his supernatural acts today and No to his dealings within history - all due to human pride - period.
What I find interesting is that I must conform to what some folks think who do not know what it means to do proper research and connect the dots that God left us....
"It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out," Pro 25:2 ESV