Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Are you a sincere seeker who has questions about Christianity, or a Christian with doubts about your faith? Post them here to receive a thoughtful response.
crochet1949
Esteemed Senior Member
Posts: 1467
Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:04 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Young-Earth Creationist

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by crochet1949 »

The movie / Tom Cruse / based on a future concept that a crime could be detected Before it happened and the person arrested or detained Before the fact? Nope. Thought police? It would take a mind reader -- technowledgy developed by people Won't be perfect / fool-proof.

Yes, a translation of that Would be helpful.
User avatar
B. W.
Ultimate Member
Posts: 8355
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:17 am
Christian: Yes
Location: Colorado

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by B. W. »

ultimate777 wrote:I think there can be great value in impossible hypothetical questions. I think they can help you decide what is really most important to yourself and to others. They can help stimulate your mind so it can help you in more "practical" things.
How one responds to hypothetical questions can tell volumes about one's character. Especially if someone tries to change the hypotheticals.

But I could be all wrong, its happened before. What do you think?

Anyhow here is one for you, also:

Suppose you could go back in time to just before the war and kill Hitler, but you would go to Hell when you die, otherwise
you go to heaven for sure if you just stay here?

From the historical record of Hitlers time in Vienna he was exposed to many christian groups as well as religious cults too.

He was witnessed too. He rejected the gospel of his own free moral will. He immersed himself in the occult and hate and became what he did by his own choice despite gospel message.

He was an abused child, beaten and verbally abused. Hate passed on to him from proceeding generation. Jesus came to set us free from spreading it around. Reject Christ, one will keep the dung alive in life.

A better question would not be: Kill baby Hitler and go to Hell but rather why God did not wipe out all humanity in Genesis 6:1-10... so I ask, "why God did not wipe out all humanity in Genesis chapter Six?"

None of us deserve to have our names in the book of Life, not one of us.

In this, you will find your answer, ultimate777.

Even if their was one who killed Hitler as a baby, that person does not deserve heaven, same as you, ultimate777.

Have you consider that?

In this, I am thankful the gospel of God's grace is proclaimed and many come to Christ and are transformed out of d-mn-ng darkness into his life granting light.

None of deserves salvation, no not one...
-
-
-
Science is man's invention - creation is God's
(by B. W. Melvin)

Old Polish Proverb:
Not my Circus....not my monkeys
crochet1949
Esteemed Senior Member
Posts: 1467
Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:04 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Young-Earth Creationist

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by crochet1949 »

Some times hypothetical situation questions Don't work cause they aren't based on a realistic situation.

And the difference between 'killing' and 'murder' was brought up. Like in war-time --the idea is to Stop the enemy from advancing on your group and destroying or torturing your people. But, you know how many guys are 'ruined for life' suffer from PTSD because of that? And there are people who try to claim being a pacifist? They don't believe in killing Period. They used to flee to Canada to get out of going to war.
If I kill a person in self-defense -- I'd have to have a weapon in my hand in order to do that. Or hit him hard enough to stop him. It's a very traumatic event taking place and That will affect me in a negative way.
Maybe preventing a suicide would be possible.
User avatar
Storyteller
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3059
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:54 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: UK

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by Storyteller »

Just wanna say I liked those posts because they made/make me think.
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran
User avatar
Philip
Site Owner
Posts: 9405
Joined: Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:45 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Betwixt the Sea and the Mountains

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by Philip »

King David and Moses were murderers - David, indirectly but by his authority - and for the most evil of reasons (lust of another's wife - as if HOW many wives were not enough already???!!!).
ultimate777
Senior Member
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:06 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by ultimate777 »

RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote: Storyteller,

Don't be a hero. Save yourself. Every man for himself. Women and children to the lifeboats!

:titanic:
I suspect you were being sarcastic but I was being serious. Deadly serious. To pretend I feel otherwise might fool you, but it would't fool God, would it? To compare earthly death with hell is stupid at best.
It's a nice thing to say, but that's just not how it works. You are responsible for your own choices. And so is everybody else.


You can no more go to hell, and have everyone else go to heaven, than take the pain away from your child when he's sick, and give it to yourself.

It's great if you care about others enough to say that though. The apostle Paul said something similar in Romans 9.

And of course I was teasing Storyteller.
My gosh, the trouble with SOME Christians is the are so darned slippery. You ask them a question and they change it around, or say something profound they know you already know, and goodness knows what else. I wonder how well they know what they are doing?
Could you translate that to understandable English for us simpletons please? :scratch:
You and a lot of others often don't seem to like some of my questions, so giving evasive and/or irrelevant answers is the way you handle that.
User avatar
RickD
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 22063
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by RickD »

ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
I suspect you were being sarcastic but I was being serious. Deadly serious. To pretend I feel otherwise might fool you, but it would't fool God, would it? To compare earthly death with hell is stupid at best.
It's a nice thing to say, but that's just not how it works. You are responsible for your own choices. And so is everybody else.


You can no more go to hell, and have everyone else go to heaven, than take the pain away from your child when he's sick, and give it to yourself.

It's great if you care about others enough to say that though. The apostle Paul said something similar in Romans 9.

And of course I was teasing Storyteller.
My gosh, the trouble with SOME Christians is the are so darned slippery. You ask them a question and they change it around, or say something profound they know you already know, and goodness knows what else. I wonder how well they know what they are doing?
Could you translate that to understandable English for us simpletons please? :scratch:
You and a lot of others often don't seem to like some of my questions, so giving evasive and/or irrelevant answers is the way you handle that.
Instead of assuming I'm lying, you could take me at my word that I just didn't understand what you meant.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow




St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
ultimate777
Senior Member
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:06 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by ultimate777 »

crochet1949 wrote:The movie / Tom Cruse / based on a future concept that a crime could be detected Before it happened and the person arrested or detained Before the fact? Nope. Thought police? It would take a mind reader -- technowledgy developed by people Won't be perfect / fool-proof.

Yes, a translation of that Would be helpful.

y:-/
ultimate777
Senior Member
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:06 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by ultimate777 »

RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote: It's a nice thing to say, but that's just not how it works. You are responsible for your own choices. And so is everybody else.


You can no more go to hell, and have everyone else go to heaven, than take the pain away from your child when he's sick, and give it to yourself.

It's great if you care about others enough to say that though. The apostle Paul said something similar in Romans 9.

And of course I was teasing Storyteller.
My gosh, the trouble with SOME Christians is the are so darned slippery. You ask them a question and they change it around, or say something profound they know you already know, and goodness knows what else. I wonder how well they know what they are doing?
Could you translate that to understandable English for us simpletons please? :scratch:
You and a lot of others often don't seem to like some of my questions, so giving evasive and/or irrelevant answers is the way you handle that.
Instead of assuming I'm lying, you could take me at my word that I just didn't understand what you meant.
If you think I was accusing you of lying you completely misunderstood. Start over. Read my previous answer, read your next question next, then my answer. I was translating my previous answer so you could hopefully understand it.
User avatar
RickD
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 22063
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by RickD »

Ok. Then what question did I evade?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow




St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
ultimate777
Senior Member
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:06 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by ultimate777 »

Storyteller wrote:Just wanna say I liked those posts because they made/make me think.
You seem to "get it" more than anybody else so far. So "effing" what if the hypothetical can't really happen for Biblical or any other reasons? It can help you be honest about your values, and no telling what else to "cut the re-bop" (see "Streetcar Named Desire"') and take it head on.
ultimate777
Senior Member
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:06 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by ultimate777 »

RickD wrote:Ok. Then what question did I evade?
Ok, since everybody else seems to want to change my question then I'll change it a little. Would you be willing of your own free will to spend eternity in hell if it was neccessary to accomplish anything you could think of even for the good of humanity?( Not exactly "The Devil and Daniel Webster is it, or is it? :esmile: )

I don't give a darn whether you can or not only whether you would if you could.

In case you ask, I have guts enough to say I would not. (Do I need to explain that?)

I heard Dietrich Bonhoeffer had another answer to my origional question. That's largely why I started this.
User avatar
RickD
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 22063
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by RickD »

ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:Ok. Then what question did I evade?
Ok, since everybody else seems to want to change my question then I'll change it a little. Would you be willing of your own free will to spend eternity in hell if it was neccessary to accomplish anything you could think of even for the good of humanity?( Not exactly "The Devil and Daniel Webster is it, or is it? :esmile: )

I don't give a darn whether you can or not only whether you would if you could.

In case you ask, I have guts enough to say I would not. (Do I need to explain that?)

I heard Dietrich Bonhoeffer had another answer to my origional question. That's largely why I started this.
No. I wouldn't. I have no problem admitting that. Because nothing in this temporary life, outweighs eternity.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow




St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
ultimate777
Senior Member
Posts: 736
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:06 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by ultimate777 »

RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:Ok. Then what question did I evade?
Ok, since everybody else seems to want to change my question then I'll change it a little. Would you be willing of your own free will to spend eternity in hell if it was neccessary to accomplish anything you could think of even for the good of humanity?( Not exactly "The Devil and Daniel Webster is it, or is it? :esmile: )

I don't give a darn whether you can or not only whether you would if you could.

In case you ask, I have guts enough to say I would not. (Do I need to explain that?)

I heard Dietrich Bonhoeffer had another answer to my origional question. That's largely why I started this.
No. I wouldn't. I have no problem admitting that. Because nothing in this temporary life, outweighs eternity.
I guess I made this too complicated for starters. I'm glad you have the guts, too.
User avatar
RickD
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 22063
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen

Re: Kill Hitler and go to Hell

Post by RickD »

ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:
ultimate777 wrote:
RickD wrote:Ok. Then what question did I evade?
Ok, since everybody else seems to want to change my question then I'll change it a little. Would you be willing of your own free will to spend eternity in hell if it was neccessary to accomplish anything you could think of even for the good of humanity?( Not exactly "The Devil and Daniel Webster is it, or is it? :esmile: )

I don't give a darn whether you can or not only whether you would if you could.

In case you ask, I have guts enough to say I would not. (Do I need to explain that?)

I heard Dietrich Bonhoeffer had another answer to my origional question. That's largely why I started this.
No. I wouldn't. I have no problem admitting that. Because nothing in this temporary life, outweighs eternity.
I guess I made this too complicated for starters. I'm glad you have the guts, too.
FYI,
It's a hypothetical, remember? No guts are needed.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow




St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Post Reply