@1over137, just to point somethings
And now my question: Do you think that God accepts a person who is going to believe just because of the wager? Would God be pleased by that? Shouldn't people come to God from other reasons?
Yes and No, really depends on whether it is about admitting that someone exists beyond our natural and scientific realms. God accepts a person in faith, doesn't matter if the faith was born of a logical conclusion or rational wager or by reading John 3:16. what
matters is that one should not be cheating his own self into faith. Faith comes by hope, hope that exists because of a choice, the choice can be born out of any set of events or circumstances. The choice is only, you believe or you don't. There is no formula involved. It doesn't matter by what
reason you come to God, either you believe or you don't, however if you come, just come in faith.
On a side note, try trusting God (even if it makes
you feel embarrassed or illogical, try it), if he is out there and you wanna really know about him, you'll probably cross paths, at least I hope so.
Well, ok, it may seem justified, but I have the problem with the word 'loving'. Couldn't people get another chance when finding themselves in hell and asking God for mercy? Wouldn't loving God help them? Is just more than love?
if you screw your neighbor's wife instead of your loving wife, should you get a second chance? not on merit obviously, since you don't qualify for any in your present state, only by grace or compassion of your wife, will you get a second chance. And if she refuses to give you that second chance, would you have a problem with her being "less loving or non-loving" would the idea of being "Just" be in direct opposition to love. No, it will be in accordance of whats fair of how much she loved you. You screwed up, your problem, if she decides to forgive you, you didn't deserve it, not on your own merit, in other words you didn't earn it.
Unconditional love doesn't automatically overrules fairness and justice. It is not contradiction, it is mutual system that balances itself out. People who think that
God should never punish anyone are mislead by suppositions. God's mercy is infinite, but God is not a soda machine that you can pop a coin in and get the soda out. God as we know, have a mind and a heart and it is his sense of judgement and love, his priorities and agenda that can ascertain where love and fairness should be applied.
If you are ever loving God, a God who always love, and you believe in second chances, would you give a second chance to a child molester, whom you know will be doing the same thing once he is out. There is a reason we have juries and parole boards. They at length determine whether a person is sound or qualified enough to be allowed into society. But should they base their actions on emotional pleas, they are bound to be wrong. I only hope that if you get in their shoes, you can feel the weight of their decisions. Now that being said, God is never happy when his creation suffer, not even the sinner in hell. There is no merry making in that. Sin is by choice, and if in hell, someone realized, he was wrong, then It is literally unfair to justify his wrong at that moment. because then it will out of pure fear, cheating themselves in the idea that they love God, you can't do that. it won't take faith, it will be a hard shock and it will produce a tormented confession, not by free will but by fear. And if indeed God justifies and lets them aboard in his grace, then the whole point of free will, justice and fairness, love and grace is mute. And you can very well argue that God should just forgive about anyone. Because if it is for one, then why not for others.
I am not saying that second chances are not allowed or unfair, just saying that there is a line where loves is over ruled by fairness and justice it also happens vice versa, as in the case example of the prodigal son.
I'd like to ask about the origin of lie, hatred, disobedience and so on. The love originates from God (created by God), so, what about the other mentioned things?
Choice, it is the simplest answer if you rationally look at it. What
is truth? God is. What
is lie? he isn't. simple. Love originates from God, the choice to reject that love is with us, free will. you choose. if you don't love, you hate, hate is no original entity in itself, rather it is the choice of disregarding love and hope and that is the feeling you call hate. Choosing to not obey, results in disobeying. These are not dynamic attributes to begin with because they are alternatives to certain feelings. They can originate wherever there is free will.