1over137 wrote:Yes, I agree that this is interesting. I do not understand why Jews reject Jesus being the God. Further, Moslims recognize Jesus as a prophet (or teacher?) (not God but prophet), right? But then they have to agree with what he said, and he said that he is God (where is it in Bible?). So, Muslims are inconsistent. Or, what is their attitude towards Jesus?
Yes, many Muslims agree that Jesus is a prophet. They do not recognize Jesus to be the Son of God because they don't believe that God (Allah) had a son. They also deny that Jesus was crucified and by so doing deny his resurrection from the dead. So yes, I would say Muslims are inconsistent in their historical understanding.
Muslims believe that Jews and Christians altered the Bible to fit their worldview, though they have never come up with any evidence to prove their claim.
Jesus claimed to be God in a number of places:
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (KJV)
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Jews believed that anyone who would claim that God was their literal father, was making themselves equal with God and thus they were guilty of blasphemy, that is, of breaking the first commandment.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
The Jews in the temple knew who Christ was claiming to be because they knew what
God said to Moses and were outraged that Jesus in this statement is claiming to have existed before Abraham some 2000 years earlier:
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jesus was claiming to be that same I Am that spoke to Moses over a thousand years earlier.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
In this verse Jesus is claiming to be the same as the invisible creator of the universe.
John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Jesus is claiming that what
the disciples recognize Him as are true, both Master (Teacher) and Lord (God).
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Jesus is telling Philip the disciple that he is the exact image of God the Father, the creator.
Matt 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Matt 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
When Jesus is on trial He is asked point blank whether He is the messiah. This is the equivalent of putting God on trial and His answer in verse 64 really sums it up.
C.S. Lewis once said that Jesus was either a lunatic or who He claimed to be. John Lennox, (whose discussion I hope you watch), says, if that is a man on the cross then so what
. But if it is God on a cross one has to ask the question: What
is God doing on a cross?
Well it may be the devil or it may be the Lord but you know you gotta serve somebody. Bob Dylan
Every one that is of the truth hears my voice. Jesus from John 18:37