B. W. wrote:DBowling wrote:Actually Job 1:6 is a proof text that demonstrates that Satan is excluded from the "sons of God".
Job 1:6 identifies two sets of angelic beings that presented themselves to the Lord.
1. The first set of angelic beings to present themselves before the Lord in Job 1:6 are identified as the "sons of God"
2. The other being who "also" presented himself before the Lord in Job 1:6 is Satan.
Note that Satan "also" presented himself before the Lord.
Satan is not part of the "sons of God" in Job 1:6
Job 1:6 tells us that Satan is "also" there... in addition to the "sons of God".
Look through the passages you posted that use the phrase "sons of God" again.
None of them refer to fallen angels who are in rebellion against God.
Which brings us back to my earlier point.
Using the term "sons of God" to describe fallen angels is diametrically opposed to how the term "sons of God" is used everywhere else in Scripture... including Job 1:6.
Technically I am correct. Technically, Satan is classed with the sons of God as I explained earlier. He fell as Ezekiel 28:12,15 reveals. Those are fallen sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4 and the ones who shouted for joy over God creating everything before they fell.
Actually you are not correct, technically or otherwise...
You assert that Satan is classed with the "sons of God", but there is no Scripture to support that assertion.
You assert that Satan is identified with the "sons of God" in Job 1:6, but Job 1:6 actually draws a distinction between Satan and the "sons of God"
You assert that "sons of God" in Genesis 6 refers to fallen angels, but that assertion is based on extrascriptural traditions that developed thousands after the events of Genesis 6 actually took place.
In your posts, you have yet to list a single Scripture where the phrase "sons of God" refers to fallen angels who are in rebellion against God. And no one else has been able to do that in this thread either for a very simple reason... such a Scripture does not exist.
This means, technically, in Job 38:7, that Satan is classed as one of the sons of God who shouted for joy when God created everything some time before he fell.
Accepting your premise that Job 38:7 takes place before Satan fell, then of course Lucifer would be considered one of the "sons of God" before he rebelled against God. I have no problem with that premise.
Job 38:7 actually reinforces the point that I have been repeatedly making.
The "sons of God" in Job 38:7 are worshipping and rejoicing in God, not acting in rebellion against God.
Job 38:7 cannot be used to justify the assertion that fallen angels in rebellion against God are ever referred to as "sons of God" in Scripture.
Also.. Job 1:6 takes place after (not before) the fall of Satan. At the time of Job 1:6, Satan is in rebellion against God, which is why through the use of the word "also" Job 1:6 specifically excludes Satan from the "sons of God" when he is in open rebellion against God.
Therefore, it still stands, sons of god, indeed can refer to fallen angels as Rev 12:7 clearly points outs: Michael and his angels and Satan his angels...period.
You are wrong again...
Here is the text of Revelation 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Nowhere in this passage are fallen angels referred to as "sons of God".
Again, the fact of the matter is plain and straightforward...
Scripture never refers to fallen angels who are in rebellion against God as "sons of God"
Assertions to the contrary are a function of extrascriptural tradition, not Scripture itself.